Hi Everyone,

I am new to the Swiss French area and to radars in general to be honest. I was going at about 135km/h on the autoroute between Gland and Nyon and there are radars along side, but they never seem to flash so in my mind that meant they weren't on or don't work. Is it true that these ones just don't flash?

Also, if you have gotten "flashed", how long does the ticket usually take to arrive? As in, when can I believe that I am "safe" per say in terms of a time limit?

Thanks for your help

Ah, then keep them bumcheeks real tight... these are digital and do not flash... not even at night (IR imagery).

The ticket is rather quick to arrive...

A couple of sites with details of radars in the area, here and here.

bugger, I think I must have passed a number of these at high speed while traveling from German border (towards Basel) and then all the way to Geneva.

it's hard to readjust once you taste 200km/h travel on german autobahns.

now good question - I was driving non-swiss rego'd car (a friend on mine from Czech Rep. let me used his car), do you reckon he'll receive those fines ?
(or what sort of system is there in place in Europe ?)

he tells me he did not receive any nasty letters from Switzerland yet,
this was in July/August

The first link makes me laugh, the guy is doing 180kmh at 1.30am in the morning, if he want's to kill himself fair enough, what's that in mph 110? Okay maybe a bit OTT. The plates also look german which means that car is more than likely used to the speed on autobahns

The second pic in the series is a mini (looks italian) at 170kmh again 2.30am what has this to do with road safety? Just over 100mph.

Is there a high volume of traffic on the road?
Is a individual driving a 2am at this speed likely to cause a accident at 2am?
Is there hairpin bends?
This seems to be a motorway?
Admittedly they are both driving in the wrong lane, but I think I will forgive them for hogging the incorrect lane at ~2am

Absolutely crackers if you ask me! If they'd have took these pictures at 1pm in the afternoon they would have had more credibilty I reckon.

My viewpoint. Money grabbers! I will continue to use the illegal GPS I have to avoid these cash cows for the police.

Road safety guys feel free to flame... I may reply if I can be bothered..

See this article from 2005

	Quote:
	EU moves to make speeding and parking fines Europe-wide

Don't know how far they've got with putting this into practice.

Are you sure about that? The night pictures in the presentation linked by blonaybear clearly show that the flash was used. If they used a IR camera you wouldn't see the colors.

while the headline reads "europe-wide", the article talks about "EU" only
so I would think that does not include CH.

anyway, I'll be "good" next time

My bad, I was thinking about a different set of cameras.

Really? How can you tell?

We've had recent evidence on this forum that even seasoned professional racers can trash serious cars at speeds way below those

and to answer an earlier question, yes they will find you even if you have plates from outside Switzerland. I was driving in my french car and got flashed and three months later a nice bill arrived at my house in France...

I'm very pleased that I can avoid you by taking the train. I hope you're a bit more cautious when not on the motorway, where there are more than just other motorists to look out for / endanger. Do what you want with your own life, but not with mine!

Not that I'm not guilty of my fair share of speeding offences. But there are actually accidents at this time of night caused by people who think that they have the roads to themselves at this time of night, and are therefore a bit more "relaxed" about their driving. There is also a factor that at this time of night a much higher proportion of the drivers on the road are likely to be drunk.

Just my 2cents (rappen?)

An even better way to avoid these cash cows is not to speed in the first place. People seem to forget that speed limits are set for a purpose.

Your welcome to the train.

I take someone's point earlier all it takes is a blown tire etc etc, but at 2am on a motorway I feel I have the right to do what I want if the risks are purely my own especially if there is little/no traffic.

In a school zone at 9am you will never find me speeding or within a city/town. I can honestly say that I make every attempt to stick at the speed limit even if it annoys others.

It's about risk, unfortunately there are many people who don't know this simple idea. Motorways are built for speed, towns/cities aren't.

The speed I see some people drive around Basel they deserve the car crushed.

The mini looks italian due to the plate/writing size, the letter blur seems wider rather than x2 distinctive rows. Don't know could be wrong.

How does a speed camera improve someones driving? They pay the fine and walk away?

It's a lazy and inaffective way of policing bad driving. How many times have you seen a car on the road weaving all over the place only to pass them and find they are using a mobile phone?

I'm sick of this, what they're saying is by using that phone F you all. I'm more important and my call than everyone else's road safety.

In the UK since speed camera introduction (camera ridden unlike Europe) the sight of a traffic policeman is a rarity. IMHO driving standards have become horrendous. Yet I am meant to watch my speedo rather than the upcoming events on the road in front. (You're welcome to a UK style flash fest if you want but I guarantee the roads will be worse off as a result!)

Don't get me started on road safety, there's a lot worse out there than someone doing 100mph at 2am in the morning.

I drive to the road conditions paying attention to the area around me. I use the lanes (note plural as provided, I am courtious and I stick well within MY limits)

Who said I do 100mph everywhere I go?

I don't want to spend my precious watching traffic seconds looking for nazi speed cameras.

The best one is where everyone brakes causing a road hazard. I'd love that "Safety Camera causes Motorway pile up."

That's why France has a 130kmh limit on motorways, Germany no limit in places, UK 110kmh and Switzerland 120kmh. Is Luxembourg 140/150? Went through it but can't remember!

So where was the plan there then? Surely a 3 lane motorway should be pretty much the same in characteristics regardless of the country? They aren't exactly full of hairpins bends and road hazards.

I am not talking about town/cities as it's obvious why the speed limits are there!

So why is there a difference, if they are set for safety reasons, does it mean the German's are more willing to take risks than the French? Is the UK paranoid? Dunno you tell me.

See I personally would go the pollution/more fuel use path, which would make far more sense to me. Not safety on a Motorway that's just BS.

Just out of curiosity, what's an illegal GPS? My TomTom device has a database of stationary speedcams in it, I get an audio warning before I reach one so I can slow down. Are these GPS devices illegal?

I have so nearly been caught in one of those. Driving down the motorway in heavy traffic. Coming around a corner to find a cop car hiding behind a bush. The three cars infront of me all jump on their brakes causing me to have to pull up pretty quickly. The stupid thing was that the traffic was flowing at about 5kph BELOW the speed limit already!

Try motoring lobby for an answer. However, in all fairness, if had you driven for a long enough period of time in Germany, you would have noticed that many many more stretches are now limited, as opposed to 15-20 years ago.

Yes. If the police catch you with it, then you are in trouble.