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We have a 2006 Nissan Xtrail with 55k km that we bought from a coworker when we moved here in March 2012. It recently started making a noise so we brought it into the Nissan Dealer iService Department in Geneva. They told us the front left wheel bearing is going out and the cost to replace is.....850chf!

Replacement part costs 700chf
Labor 150chf

Does this sound totally off to anyone? If so, any affordable garage recommendations in the Geneva area?
Go to Fou Vert in France, the part is overpriced. Take a look at www.eurocarparts.com to get an idea of trade price for the part, I had FOu Vert fit a wheel bearing I bought from ECP Labour was 50 euro fixed price, still was going strong 150k later when I sold the car.
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Re: Rear Wheel Bearings Need Repair (how much)

Parts prices for Japanese cars have a horrendous mark up, so I prefer buying a cheaper 10 year old high end "German" car, because new parts are made closer, finding their way onto ebay sooner. Nissan want you to buy a new car, the dealer wants a huge markup. It is a disgrace environmentally what these manufacturers are allowed to do.

Most bearings cost about 30 euros. Maybe 80 euros for a really high quality or complex one. Looks like your vehicle had a cheaper one. There is one on ebay, complete with new driveshaft nut, for 24.50. Generic Wheel bearings and brakes if available are often much cheaper for all makes.

example Ebay.de link lists brand new front wheel bearings for that model for 25 Euro.

Why is it so cheap? Well the main part, the bearing probably has lots of other applications, not just Nissan. If you are feeling rich, or planning on doing some rallying, you could look for one made by NSK and perhaps spend 60 euros. Brands are important in bearings. I would be surprised though if this cheap one won't last more than 55k km.
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Replacement part costs 700chf
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Does this sound totally off to anyone? If so, any affordable garage recommendations in the Geneva area?
Labor is charged for 1h as it seems, so this is all right, but the part is overcharged.

Genuine Nissan Xtrail front wheel hub (complete with bearing) costs ~250CHF.
Aftermarket parts around 80CHF.

Separate bearing only seems to be available as aftermarket parts and is even less.
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[Unnecessarily cynical remark] You may find that someone who quotes CHF700 for a wheel-bearing might find other things which need doing while it's up on the ramp (ie while he's got you where he wants you). Final bill CHF1600? [/Unnecessarily cynical remark]
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Leaving on holiday to Italy tomorrow. Car is in for its service before we travel. A front bearing needs changing and have just been quoted 700 chf for the work feeling it's a rip off but need the car for my hols. Should I risk it or just fork out the cash? I know I could get it done a lot cheaper elsewhere but the car would have to survive the 1500km there and back.

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Leaving on holiday to Italy tomorrow. Car is in for its service before we travel. A front bearing needs changing and have just been quoted 700 chf for the work feeling it's a rip off but need the car for my hols. Should I risk it or just fork out the cash? I know I could get it done a lot cheaper elsewhere but the car would have to survive the 1500km there and back.
How bad is it? does it make a big noise? Is the bearing cage in danger of breaking up? What sort of car is it? How do you drive? Driving style can make a massive difference. Factor 3 if you nurse it. Did you notice the problem, or the garage? If the garage noticed it, and it is very slight play, may be get it done on holiday?

All sorts of stuff can go wrong as a result, like side thrust on the brake disk (because the disk is now not quite parallel to the pads) could cause a worn fatigued old disk to shear off at the hub. Not a problem if you have 3 other good brakes. On the other hand, in 3rd world countries, people probably drive another 10k, and see how it goes.
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Leaving on holiday to Italy tomorrow. Car is in for its service before we travel. A front bearing needs changing and have just been quoted 700 chf for the work feeling it's a rip off but need the car for my hols. Should I risk it or just fork out the cash? I know I could get it done a lot cheaper elsewhere but the car would have to survive the 1500km there and back.


700 for _just_ a wheel bearing? Seems very high to me. If you've been ignoring the rumble for long enough it may need the bearing, CV joint, oil seal, and possibly brake disk (or stub axle if it is RWD).


For a run of the mill car, I would say perhaps 200 CHF for the bearing, perhaps 200 labour, but even that is on the high side.
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Old 07.07.2015, 21:51
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We have a 2006 Nissan Xtrail with 55k km that we bought from a coworker when we moved here in March 2012. It recently started making a noise so we brought it into the Nissan Dealer iService Department in Geneva. They told us the front left wheel bearing is going out and the cost to replace is.....850chf!

Replacement part costs 700chf
Labor 150chf

Does this sound totally off to anyone? If so, any affordable garage recommendations in the Geneva area?
Sounds way too much for the car go to ATU or Fewvert in France for a quote.
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The other half spoke to the garage and I think she didn't really get what the issue was. It's a Volvo V60 at a Volvo garage so I guess that's why it costs so much. It could even be two bearings that they're changing though I doubt it.

I had heard a vibration for a while now but had chosen to ignore it until now, but it was the garage that highlighted it to me.

Anyhow, she told them to do the repair in the end as we really need to get off tomorrow and she didn't want the risk or hassle of looking about whilst away. 3 years without issue so I guess I've been fortunate in that regard. If it is 700 chuffs for a simple bearing then I will feel like I've been rogered.
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The other half spoke to the garage and I think she didn't really get what the issue was. It's a Volvo V60 at a Volvo garage so I guess that's why it costs so much. It could even be two bearings that they're changing though I doubt it.

I had heard a vibration for a while now but had chosen to ignore it until now, but it was the garage that highlighted it to me.

Anyhow, she told them to do the repair in the end as we really need to get off tomorrow and she didn't want the risk or hassle of looking about whilst away. 3 years without issue so I guess I've been fortunate in that regard. If it is 700 chuffs for a simple bearing then I will feel like I've been rogered.

Soso... the car has been warnng you for a while... Cars are worse than women, they may warn for a longer lead in time, but when they've had enough, they can be really spiteful.


233 CHF/ year ownership is pretty cheap, methinks. You might have saved 200 or so by going to an independant, but the car is already there, she said "yes", and tomorrow is holidays. Have a good one.
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Leaving on holiday to Italy tomorrow. Car is in for its service before we travel. A front bearing needs changing and have just been quoted 700 chf for the work feeling it's a rip off but need the car for my hols. Should I risk it or just fork out the cash? I know I could get it done a lot cheaper elsewhere but the car would have to survive the 1500km there and back.
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The other half spoke to the garage and I think she didn't really get what the issue was. It's a Volvo V60 at a Volvo garage so I guess that's why it costs so much. It could even be two bearings that they're changing though I doubt it.

I had heard a vibration for a while now but had chosen to ignore it until now, but it was the garage that highlighted it to me.

Anyhow, she told them to do the repair in the end as we really need to get off tomorrow and she didn't want the risk or hassle of looking about whilst away. 3 years without issue so I guess I've been fortunate in that regard. If it is 700 chuffs for a simple bearing then I will feel like I've been rogered.
Seems like a good idea.
Having recently had my front ones go (and now replaced), I wouldn't have wanted to risk driving very far - they deteriorated very quickly, to the extent, that I felt uneasy driving the 1km to the garage, in the end.

Price wise - it's difficult to say, as mine is only a Renault and I had other stuff done at the same time (service, rear discs and callipers and pads, handbrake cable, fluids, etc), all costing well over the 2K mark.
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Seems like a good idea.
Having recently had my front ones go (and now replaced), I wouldn't have wanted to risk driving very far - they deteriorated very quickly, to the extent, that I felt uneasy driving the 1km to the garage, in the end.

Price wise - it's difficult to say, as mine is only a Renault and I had other stuff done at the same time (service, rear discs and callipers and pads, handbrake cable, fluids, etc), all costing well over the 2K mark.

The rate at which bearings deteriorate varies significantly. I have seen significant differences between manufacturers and also between models which have roughtly equivalent bearings, axle loadings, and suspensions. On top of that, driving habits, road conditions, and if the car is stored inside or outside make a difference as well. About 18 months ago my daily driver (an ancient Alfa 145) started making bearing noises at the left rear (done this kind of stuff all my life, so when a car makes a noise I generally know what it is). I put it on the lift, spun the wheel... nothing. Kept on driving through the summer. While I was fitting the winter tires, spun the wheel again, no sign that the bearing was shot on the lift. Drove through the winter, same thing in the spring when I put the summer tires back on. About a month ago the noise changed a bit, so I put the car on the lift and spun the wheel: now I could feel and hear that the bearing was definitely making a noise. OTOH, while I was at university, I had a Dodge... I was on my way home at Christmas, about 50 km away from home it started to rumble, so I thought "Hmn, probably a wheel bearing, I'll replace that while I'm home" 10 km later the front right wheel fell off. The bearing failed catastrophically and the stub axle snapped.


2K isn't bad for a major, with brakes on one axle.
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The rate at which bearings deteriorate varies significantly. I have seen significant differences between manufacturers and also between models which have roughtly equivalent bearings, axle loadings, and suspensions. On top of that, driving habits, road conditions, and if the car is stored inside or outside make a difference as well. About 18 months ago my daily driver (an ancient Alfa 145) started making bearing noises at the left rear (done this kind of stuff all my life, so when a car makes a noise I generally know what it is). I put it on the lift, spun the wheel... nothing. Kept on driving through the summer. While I was fitting the winter tires, spun the wheel again, no sign that the bearing was shot on the lift. Drove through the winter, same thing in the spring when I put the summer tires back on. About a month ago the noise changed a bit, so I put the car on the lift and spun the wheel: now I could feel and hear that the bearing was definitely making a noise. OTOH, while I was at university, I had a Dodge... I was on my way home at Christmas, about 50 km away from home it started to rumble, so I thought "Hmn, probably a wheel bearing, I'll replace that while I'm home" 10 km later the front right wheel fell off. The bearing failed catastrophically and the stub axle snapped.


2K isn't bad for a major, with brakes on one axle.
I drove mine for a good few weeks, with only minor grinding noises, whilst turning - but never too far from home and only short hops on the autobahn.
However, when the noise became louder and more grating, with vibrations, I thought it was about time to get it in the garage - but had to wait a week before he could fit it in. Short journeys only, in the interim.


" ....... and whilst you're at it, just have a quick check (and clean) of the offside rear brake calliper, as it's not returning when the handbrake is released and sometimes binds a bit ......"


The good news is, that I'm now starting to hear faint rumblings from the rear ......
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Thanks for the reassurance all, it's very much appreciated I agree, it's really not worth the stress and the hassle of looking for an alternative, especially after hearing some of your experiences. Sometimes you just have to look at the positives and be happy that I'm off on my holiday tomorrow!
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CHF 50 for a new set from FAG/SRO, an hour to change (more or less, unless you are totally lame).

As for longevity, well once I got bad noises near a friend's, and upon inspection I decided to leave the car where it was, order the bits, and stay overnight at my friend's to wait for the new bearings. But, I know what I'm doing.

Realistically, it would have failed within 200 km, otherwise I would have driven the 230km home.

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CHF 50 for a new set from FAG/SRO, an hour to change (more or less, unless you are totally lame)

.. But, I know what I'm doing.


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My granny can't change her own wheel bearings so I guess she's lame and just someone that doesn't know what she's doing. As you probably can't knit a sweater, that would make you lame too?
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The good news is, that I'm now starting to hear faint rumblings from the rear ......

Not too surprising, given that all 4 bearings travel the same distance, over the same roads, in the same ambient conditions. Generally the driven axle bearings are a bit more substantial, but they _may_ wear faster because of harmonic vibrations on the driveshaft.


On the brakes, it is (or was) common practice to do some "Brake Wellness" while flushing the fluid, pushing the piston full back with a lever/retractor and cleaning /lubing the caliper slide mechanism.


Sometimes the pistons stick because they hang up on some buildup where the seal lands. If the buildup is soft then making the pistons move full stroke a few times will get things working fine again. If, on the other hand, the brakes haven't been flushed regularily enough and the pistons have rusted on the seal surfaces then the wellness will sometimes restore operation, only to have the seals deteriorate and start leaking a short while afterwards. This is common on antique cars which often go 5 years without a brake fluid flush, less so on a daily driver which usually gets the fluid flushed before every MFK.


A good mechanic will retract the pistons while doing a flush anyways... only takes 5-10 min more per wheel (with disc brakes, drums are more of a bother), but this is well worth paying the additional time for.


Never save money on Brakes or Tires. Aside from the safety issues, doing the absolute minimum on the brakes will only save money short term, replacing calipers because the seals are shot is (within reason) preventable and VERY expensive. Long term you are better to pay for an additional 40min labour at every MFK and save having to replacing calipers until say 250000km.


Garages no longer rebuild calipers anymore, it takes time to get the parts and do the rebuild and the car is blocking a lift which could otherwise be generating income. In most cases the end price to replace calipers is the same, or slightly less than rebuilding would be. The supplier markup on the rebuild parts is the same as that on replacement calipers, so they cancel each other out.
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done this kind of stuff all my life, so when a car makes a noise i generally know what it is

later the front right wheel fell off

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It is how it is. You have no idea how disturbing it is to sit in a Taxi and know within seconds _exactly_ what is wrong with the vehicle.
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Not too surprising, given that all 4 bearings travel the same distance, over the same roads, in the same ambient conditions. Generally the driven axle bearings are a bit more substantial, but they _may_ wear faster because of harmonic vibrations on the driveshaft.


On the brakes, it is (or was) common practice to do some "Brake Wellness" while flushing the fluid, pushing the piston full back with a lever/retractor and cleaning /lubing the caliper slide mechanism.


Sometimes the pistons stick because they hang up on some buildup where the seal lands. If the buildup is soft then making the pistons move full stroke a few times will get things working fine again. If, on the other hand, the brakes haven't been flushed regularily enough and the pistons have rusted on the seal surfaces then the wellness will sometimes restore operation, only to have the seals deteriorate and start leaking a short while afterwards. This is common on antique cars which often go 5 years without a brake fluid flush, less so on a daily driver which usually gets the fluid flushed before every MFK.


A good mechanic will retract the pistons while doing a flush anyways... only takes 5-10 min more per wheel (with disc brakes, drums are more of a bother), but this is well worth paying the additional time for.


Never save money on Brakes or Tires. Aside from the safety issues, doing the absolute minimum on the brakes will only save money short term, replacing calipers because the seals are shot is (within reason) preventable and VERY expensive. Long term you are better to pay for an additional 40min labour at every MFK and save having to replacing calipers until say 250000km.


Garages no longer rebuild calipers anymore, it takes time to get the parts and do the rebuild and the car is blocking a lift which could otherwise be generating income. In most cases the end price to replace calipers is the same, or slightly less than rebuilding would be. The supplier markup on the rebuild parts is the same as that on replacement calipers, so they cancel each other out.
I rebuilt both front calipers for the huge sum of 20chf.. The parts are not expensive. . It's the time factor
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