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Old 13.07.2010, 15:32
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

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Have you tried contacting the police/vehicle department about it? Seems the obvious first thing to do.
I was thinking of going to SAN in VD as I need to update some vehicle papers... might as well mention the radar to them. Still aggravating that it's been doing this for half a year now.
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Old 13.07.2010, 15:38
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I was thinking of going to SAN in VD as I need to update some vehicle papers... might as well mention the radar to them. Still aggravating that it's been doing this for half a year now.
It's been keeping you clean though, ain't it!
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Old 13.07.2010, 15:55
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

Clean? As in going along the righteous path that involves sticking to the appropriate speed limits that are imposed on us, that do not take into consideration ones driving capabilities or the vehicle they drive in?

tbh, I'm not really the speeding type. I'm quite content to sticking within the imposed limits. If I need speed, I can go to Germany or to the track.
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Old 13.07.2010, 17:18
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Clean? As in going along the righteous path that involves sticking to the appropriate speed limits that are imposed on us, that do not take into consideration ones driving capabilities or the vehicle they drive in?
Ah yes, they should take into account us superior drivers and our vehicles that don't kill or injure in the highly unlikely event of an accident. Of course it goes without say any accident would not be our fault either...
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Old 14.07.2010, 07:07
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I was thinking of going to SAN in VD as I need to update some vehicle papers... might as well mention the radar to them.
The radars are operated by the police, not the SAN.
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Will they track me down in India?
Yes. In 3 to 4 months you will receive two letters (or more, depending how your last days went!) with the citations at the address Avis has on file for you. The amount of the fine will be included, as Avis has usually already settled the case with the Polizei and will include a 30 CHF administration fee per ticket that you agreed to when you signed your rental agreement.

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Will Avis charge the fine directly to my Credit Card?
I don't believe your credit card will be charged directly. In the country, you usually get a standard Swiss orange payment slip with each letter. As a foreigner, not sure...

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What are my options to pay this fine (If I ever get it) and how much would it be?
Suggest you follow the enclosed instructions, and make the payment. Even if you think you are never coming back, you may end up working for a company that sends you to or through ZRH at some point. Then you will have hell to pay.
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

I think the Swiss (I am a Swiss citizen, who will never return as a resident) are just terrible. Nowhere in Europe the fines are that high, and the police is very very sneaky! Worse than in the DDR or Soviet Union! They crawl up behind bushes with tripods, uphill, between the "end of village" sign and the "end of 50", two cameras in succession! etc. I am convinced a person seeking the job of police officer in CH would be better off with psychiatric treatment.

What I can recommend, plan your holiday and weekend trips elsewhere! I am discouraging all my friends from going to Switzerland on a holiday. I basically stopped going there, except transit.

The only thing which works, is hillclimbs in the Swiss mountain passes. Speed limit here is mostly the "national" 80km/h which is far too high for winding roads. You can really corner at breathtaking speeds and race uphill, and no one can fine you! Be careful though about long straights! Keep to the 80km/h...

They cannot fine you for unreasonably fast cornering, nor for unreasonably low gear in a tunnel. Some Swiss locals have specialized in this, too. Watch out for their Subaru Imprezas etc. And it is fun, believe me!

As a final remark: I am never doing this to annoy other people. I am careful in villages, near single houses and on busy roads. I wouldn't do it on a business trip, never at night, on wet road or when I don't feel like it. My thing would be 04:00-06:00 at the upper half of Nufenen pass, for example.
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Old 16.07.2010, 17:22
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I think the Swiss (I am a Swiss citizen, who will never return as a resident) are just terrible. Nowhere in Europe the fines are that high, and the police is very very sneaky! Worse than in the DDR or Soviet Union! They crawl up behind bushes with tripods, uphill, between the "end of village" sign and the "end of 50", two cameras in succession! etc. I am convinced a person seeking the job of police officer in CH would be better off with psychiatric treatment.

What I can recommend, plan your holiday and weekend trips elsewhere! I am discouraging all my friends from going to Switzerland on a holiday. I basically stopped going there, except transit.

The only thing which works, is hillclimbs in the Swiss mountain passes. Speed limit here is mostly the "national" 80km/h which is far too high for winding roads. You can really corner at breathtaking speeds and race uphill, and no one can fine you! Be careful though about long straights! Keep to the 80km/h...

They cannot fine you for unreasonably fast cornering, nor for unreasonably low gear in a tunnel. Some Swiss locals have specialized in this, too. Watch out for their Subaru Imprezas etc. And it is fun, believe me!

As a final remark: I am never doing this to annoy other people. I am careful in villages, near single houses and on busy roads. I wouldn't do it on a business trip, never at night, on wet road or when I don't feel like it. My thing would be 04:00-06:00 at the upper half of Nufenen pass, for example.
I guess you'll come back when you've grown up...
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

(I am afraid not. Swiss health insurance and pension schemes are preventing it! A return for job or residency is almost impossible at 55 or older.)
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... Nowhere in Europe the fines are that high, and the police is very very sneaky! ...
Steve Stecklow, Helsinki on Wheels: Fast Finns Find Fines Fit Their Finances--Traffic Penalties Are Assessed According to Driver Income; The $71,400 Speeding Ticket, Wall St. J., Jan. 2, 2001, at 1 http://www.travelingsupport.com/Hels....t15202-1.html
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Old 17.07.2010, 01:24
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I just got a letter from the Service des Automobiles / Navigation in Vaud informing me that they have learned about my speeding offense in Geneva from a couple of months back. I was going 24 over in a 50 zone (I honestly did think it was a 70 zone). I paid the fine and thought that was the end of it.

The letter from the SAN says they're thinking of taking away my licence and asks me if I want to go in to inspect my record or to make written representations. Is there any point in doing this, or are they going to take my licence away for a month whatever I do?

Does Switzerland have a "mr loophole"?
I was discussing this with a Swiss friend tonight over dinner.

He reckons that hiring a lawyer would be counter productive, but that turning up in person and groveling (thought it was a 70 zone, will never happen again etc) will probably result in them being more lenient for a first time offense.

Does anyone have experience of this?

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Old 17.07.2010, 08:03
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Nowhere in Europe the fines are that high, and the police is very very sneaky! Worse than in the DDR or Soviet Union! They crawl up behind bushes with tripods, uphill, between the "end of village" sign and the "end of 50", two cameras in succession! etc.
Are you implying that they are not so sneaky in the UK ? Also, don't forget that every speeding ticket in the UK is a minimum of 3 points. 12 points and you lose your license. The only difference I see is that in the UK grovelling on the spot can get you out of minor offences while in Switzerland blubbing doesn't even help .
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

... what I mean is, in the UK they intend to teach you "you are too fast". There are many speed measurements with LED display (and no fines). In dangerous or busy areas they put up numerous speed camera signs, and yes, perhaps also a real camera somewhere (visible, painted in yellow, ruler on the road). I must say I feel much more relaxed in the UK, and do not seek loopholes in the law... Never got any speeding ticket in the UK in 15 years (200,000 miles).

It is different with parking fines in London! Leave your car for 5 minutes and you'll have one! That is bad... much worse than Switzerland!
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Old 17.07.2010, 09:59
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... what I mean is, in the UK they intend to teach you "you are too fast". There are many speed measurements with LED display (and no fines). In dangerous or busy areas they put up numerous speed camera signs, and yes, perhaps also a real camera somewhere (visible, painted in yellow, ruler on the road). I must say I feel much more relaxed in the UK, and do not seek loopholes in the law... Never got any speeding ticket in the UK in 15 years (200,000 miles).

It is different with parking fines in London! Leave your car for 5 minutes and you'll have one! That is bad... much worse than Switzerland!
Certainly agree on the flashing speed reminders - they are all over Switzerland as well but usually only in the special 30 limits . The best are in France where almost every village on the b roads have them.

The UK police only paint the speed cameras yellow because they were ruled as being too sneaky before
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

I like this article: "The normally careful and competent actions of a reasonable individual should be considered legal."

Click here.

Perhaps, the marketing department of the Swiss police doesn't like that reasoning, but Switzerland is NOT lowest in accident statistics despite of draconic enforcement...
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Old 17.07.2010, 11:20
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Perhaps, the marketing department of the Swiss police doesn't like that reasoning, but Switzerland is NOT lowest in accident statistics despite of draconic enforcement...
No surprise here. Combine artificially low speed limits with draconic enforcement and drivers spend too much time watching the speedometer instead of paying attention to what's happening on the road.
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You can be rest assured that Switzerland is not organised enough to figure out a points system, so you'll have no fear of losing your license on the small fines. All of the fines for 250 francs and under are not recorded if you pay them and don't argue.

Most speed enforcement in Switzerland is done by way of camera, rather than having actual police on patrol. You can read a long discussion about whether the fines are about a road safety issue or revenue raising opportunity for the cantons on this thread.

Fines of a "serious" nature (like going more than 30 over the limit on the freeway) will go via the courts. This doesn't mean that you have to go to court, it just means that they will add all sorts of bogus court fees to your bill and it starts to become astronomical (I paid 1500 francs for 31kph over the limit, then 350 francs for the canton to "manage", i.e. put in a drawer, my licence for a month).

Short answer: get into the habit of sticking to 50 pretty much everywhere you are in a town. Sure you'll get plenty of 40 franc fines for being 1km over the limit, but at least they won't count for anything in the way of points. Think of it as part of your tax bill along with health insurance, unemployment insurance, invalidity insurance and other charges pretending not to be taxes.
Dear Mark or anyone who might know the answer,
Is there a way of appealing and seeking a reversal of the one month of suspension of license for 30+kph speeding, once they have issued the administrative letter?

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Dear Mark or anyone who might know the answer,
Is there a way of appealing and seeking a reversal of the one month of suspension of license for 30+kph speeding, once they have issued the administrative letter?

Thx
Would this ticket be on top of the 140 on a 100 motorway ticket you got in April?
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Would this ticket be on top of the 140 on a 100 motorway ticket you got in April?
yes...I only got a ticket then.
this time it is a fine + a letter asking the license to be kept with the canton for a month
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yes...I only got a ticket then.
this time it is a fine + a letter asking the license to be kept with the canton for a month
Serves you right then as you didn't learn the last time
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