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Old 13.12.2010, 17:04
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

Over 10+ years (but I am no expert) I have heard only once of a driving ban being *reduced* to 1 month, when an expensive lawyer was employed, and the argument he used/needed included the necessity to travel by car in able to do his job. A chauffeur helped him get through this period.

In addition to public transport, do you have a friend/spouse/work-colleague to help you through this 1-month period (which I thought, you could influence when it started)?

Every country implements different/various levels of standards, based on officialdom principles, and local conditions - thats normal. So here in Switzerland, people need to act accordingly.

German "de-restricted motorway zones" aren't as common as many people think, and conditions such as infrequent/well visible inter-sections play a factor.
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

I, for one, would like to see you appeal the conviction using the evidence that you've laid out here.

1) Habitual speeder: "I drive everyday on that stretch between 140-160"
2) Already convicted of speeding at 20+ (and yes, it will be on your record, even if you only paid a fine last time)
3) Maintaining that excessive speed is both safe and appropriate to the road conditions (icy, winter)
4) Begging leniency with no mitigating circumstances
5) And you're a foreigner...

I suggest you use this plea as it will reassure the judge of your contrition:

I will obey Swiss Law
I have no other option.
It SUCKS
I will obey Swiss law......their scenic, serenic beauty notwitstanding they are choclate coated, socialist, self cocooned cowland


In fact, if you do decide to appeal, please let me know. Maybe it's my sense of Schadenfreude, but I'd love to have a front-row seat when the judge makes his decision.
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

i find a group of sadists here...who are trying to pass a moral judgement on else's problem situation....when the query is a simple plea for an experience based suggestion in the same situation.

thx anyway...to all those who too time to think " good to see someone get screwed...thank god it's not me.....and since it's not me, he deserves to get screwed."
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Old 13.12.2010, 18:14
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

Your missing the point old chap, you aren't getting screwed, you are getting what you deserve for breaking the law... simple. Your are also deluding yourself if you think your pervious' will not be taken into consideration here.

You come across like some selfish idiot who feels he is above the law... maybe your stint on trains and trams will change that, or maybe not and we'll see a similar post in a few month.

I have also picked up 3 speeding ticket this year, my car me driving, and in each case I paid the fine as I'd done the crime, so I'm not being holier than thou, but none were as blatantly over as 30 and 40.
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Old 13.12.2010, 18:45
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

In over 6 years I have picked up 4 speeding tickets in Switzerland - 1*60chf, 2*40chf, and 1*20chf - excluding any in the post

It isn't difficult - stick to about the posted limits. Switzerland isn't a vast continent - the difference between 130kmh and 140kmh isn't that noticable - and yes I said 130 - which is 10 over the limit.

Cruising at 160kmh is asking for trouble in Switzerland. The rule of averages says you will be caught speeding - at some point - and you will be punished.

If the size of speeding fines upsets you, or if you feel there are too many cameras and the tolerance too low, or you feel that having your licence taken away for second offence is a little draconian, I have good news for you. There are 2 possible ways you can prevent this happening in future:

1) Stop speeding
2) Leave Switzerland

Either way Switzerland gains.

And before you have a "pop" back - it is worth noting that I engage in spirited driving, have a race licence and a race-car. And am not alone on this forum in having substantial race experience. I have also had a major crash** at a circuit - where the car impacted the barrier at > 140kmh - and the damage that caused a car with a FULL welded FIA Approved roll cage.

**The chief marshall was rather impressed with it - although the one of the GT car coming off at Blanchimont the day before at 260kmh trumped it

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yeah I was expecting somthing like that as an answer from the tone of your query, but that doesn't answer my question.
Any one please? can someone advise if any appeals are possible once a 1 month suspension of license statement has been issued?
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Yes it is possible to appeal, just read the small print on the letter they sent you.

BUT do not expect to get a lenient result!

After visiting a lawyer I verbally appealed a punishment of:
14 days suspended prison, fine of CHF 1,000 and the costs I think were CHF 100. Disqualified for 3 months.
Result of appeal: 5 days prison suspended 2 years, CHF 2,000 fine, extra costs of CHF 300. Disqualified from driving for 3 months.

The judge then asked me if I wanted to appeal to a higher court... er no I'm sticking!
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Old 14.12.2010, 09:13
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

anu_d, let's be clear here, it's not your first offence and you were beyond the thresholds for dealing with the offence in a manner not involving a judge.

If you were not speeding and can prove it, go in front of the judge and present your case.
If you were not the driver, report who was driving.

Otherwise....suck it up and learn from it. Like you did not do for the first time.

By the way, you can negotiate when the ban will start and finish. Maybe you have a long Christmas break or maybe you get to see how good public transport is.

Oh and don't drive during your ban time. If they find out, they will hammer you. And yes, I do see you as someone who might consider this due to your attitude.
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This is the first time I was above 30 kph pover ( 32 to be precise).
The rules that I have seen state it is to the discretion of the judge.
That's more or less correct, however you stated that you have already received the letter from the Strassenverkehrsamt, informing you that you have to hand in the license, right?

In this case it's too late to fight it, sorry. These kind of violations are dealt with a two step process in Switzerland: First a judge (or whatever entity is responsible in the canton where the violation took place) decides whether it was a light, medium or severe violation and determines the fine. At that point in time you could have fought it.

However, once the judge has decided that it was a medium (most likely in your case) or severe violation, the Strassenverkehrsamt is bound by the judge's decision and is required by law to suspend your license for at least one (medium) or three (severe) months.

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Just 10kms on the other side of my house in Germany...people drive worse cars at much higher speeds....and the accident rate is not higher than in Swiss.
I totally agree with you that Swiss speed limits are a major joke, but it's the law and the judge and the Strassenverkehrsamt are bound by it, no matter how stupid or illogical it may be!

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Yes I drive everyday on that stretch between 140-160 as do dozens others.....no accidents occur.
Hmm... most of those "dozens others" probably don't go faster than 145 because up to that speed they get away with an administrative fine if they're caught...

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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

Dear Mark75 and KB8111,
Thank you your responses were helpful.
It is clear nothing can be done now.

I was under the impression that there would be a possibility because the police crew that stopped me after I was shot at the mobile camera....made a manual report, took my residence permit and foreign license numbers, salary details, bank balance details.....office address and job title....and when getting my signatures on that report told me that I will be either called or asked to in writing explain before any action woukd be taken.

So I was under the impression that I would get a chance to beg/ plead/ take my kids photos and cry in front of somebody....but obviously they did not allow me that opportunity

All others,

thank you also......since my first fine.....I had 3 or 4 other small 40 to 100CHF fines.
But this one losing the license for a month hurts....and it seems there is no way out.

I hope I will not appear on this forum again.....with another fine realted discussion but on another constructive subject.

regards---a_D
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

wow, you really are a slow learner
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wow, you really are a slow learner
may be you are right.
I come from parts of the world......where there are always options/ ways to appeal/ reappeal and get around small things like traffic offenses, when no one is killed.

These people live in a diffrent world.
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may be you are right.
I come from parts of the world......where there are always options/ ways to appeal/ reappeal and get around small things like traffic offenses, when no one is killed.

These people live in a diffrent world.


Give it up my son, you are defending the indefensible, pay the fine and you have a month think about your sins on those nice buses.
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Dear Mark75 and KB8111,
Thank you your responses were helpful.
It is clear nothing can be done now.

I was under the impression that there would be a possibility because the police crew that stopped me after I was shot at the mobile camera....made a manual report, took my residence permit and foreign license numbers, salary details, bank balance details.....office address and job title....and when getting my signatures on that report told me that I will be either called or asked to in writing explain before any action woukd be taken.

So I was under the impression that I would get a chance to beg/ plead/ take my kids photos and cry in front of somebody....but obviously they did not allow me that opportunity

All others,

thank you also......since my first fine.....I had 3 or 4 other small 40 to 100CHF fines.
But this one losing the license for a month hurts....and it seems there is no way out.

I hope I will not appear on this forum again.....with another fine realted discussion but on another constructive subject.

regards---a_D
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Old 14.12.2010, 19:10
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

My OH was caught speeding really near our flat (at 4 im the morning on an empty road). Speed limit was 50 and he was caught at 62 They subtracted 5 so he was 7 km over. A couple of weeks later we had a nice letter in the post asking me (since the car is in my name) to pay 120chfs. Yes i think is excessive but those are the rules.

OH payed immediately. Result: One non nagging GF and hopefully he will be more careful in the future.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-12007100

I wonder what would happen to him over here!!!
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may be you are right.
I come from parts of the world......where there are always options/ ways to appeal/ reappeal and get around small things like traffic offenses, when no one is killed.

These people live in a diffrent world.
Well, you are in Switzerland.

But, don't worry. Other countries are working hard to make themselves more like Switzerland, with regard to traffic enforcement, everyday.

The thing that you have to remember is that the Swiss driver mindset is, if no one does anything wrong, i.e., break the law/rules, then nothing bad can ever happen to them. While this is a truism, it simply isn't feasible. People do make mistakes and accidents do happen. Due to the ease of enforcement and financial gain, I don't expect this attitude to change. No to mention that many people truly believe that if "you" break the speed limit then they "will" die. Some variant of this way of thinking has existed since it has been possible to move faster than a horse and cart. Maybe even before that.

OTOH, look at the bright side... At least you will have a functional Mass Transit system to get around with whilst you are without your license.
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So I was under the impression that I would get a chance to beg/ plead/ take my kids photos and cry in front of somebody....but obviously they did not allow me that opportunity
Switzerland's legal system affords everybody the chance to plead not guilty. However more than most places, two things are paramount: TIME and MONEY.

Simply put, if you waste their time, they waste your money.
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

I have recieved a letter for passing the red light, sayig it was red plus putting in danger!(red light at 6.17 secondes)
it says the fine application procedure is not possible and the driver will be reported to the authorities of competent jugment.
Will I be summoned to appear in court? will they put me in jail?
am I going to loose my driving licanse?
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I have recieved a letter for passing the red light, sayig it was red plus putting in danger!(red light at 6.17 secondes)
it says the fine application procedure is not possible and the driver will be reported to the authorities of competent jugment.
Will I be summoned to appear in court? will they put me in jail?
No jail but expect a hefty fine.

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am I going to loose my driving licanse?
Your license will probably be suspended for one or three months.
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