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Old 03.05.2011, 16:22
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

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  • Do not get another licence from DVLA! It's illegal to hold two valid UK licences, for a start, and the Swiss will not ask for your UK licence. They do not have any jurisdiction over UK and have no right or ability to take or cancel your UK licence. Also, they will not notify DVLA of your Swiss motoring offence if you pay the fine promptly. They just want your money.
  • Oh boy, this is going to cost you.
  • If the letter asks you for your UK salary, give them your annual salary divided by 12. Don't quote your bonus. I doubt they will ask, however; the court will determine a penalty independent of your salary.
  • Yes, you can drive in France and London, and anywhere else for that matter, except Switzerland. Best not to risk driving in Switzerland for a while, as the police would likely be miffed if they caught you ignoring a ban.
  • No, you don't need to advise your insurer proactively. If you're ever asked in the future if you've ever had any licence cancelled, the honest answer is no. Your UK licence will not be cancelled. If you're ever asked if you've ever been banned from driving anywhere, well, it's up to you and your conscience to choose how to answer.
  • No, you won't get any points on your UK licence.
  • This will have no impact on you in the UK -- except for a rather large dent in your bank balance.
Good luck with the court-determined fine, and take it easy ...
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

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@luceds

  • Do not get another licence from DVLA! It's illegal to hold two valid UK licences, for a start, and the Swiss will not ask for your UK licence. They do not have any jurisdiction over UK and have no right or ability to take or cancel your UK licence. Also, they will not notify DVLA of your Swiss motoring offence if you pay the fine promptly. They just want your money.
  • Oh boy, this is going to cost you.
  • If the letter asks you for your UK salary, give them your annual salary divided by 12. Don't quote your bonus. I doubt they will ask, however; the court will determine a penalty independent of your salary.
  • Yes, you can drive in France and London, and anywhere else for that matter, except Switzerland. Best not to risk driving in Switzerland for a while, as the police would likely be miffed if they caught you ignoring a ban.
  • No, you don't need to advise your insurer proactively. If you're ever asked in the future if you've ever had any licence cancelled, the honest answer is no. Your UK licence will not be cancelled. If you're ever asked if you've ever been banned from driving anywhere, well, it's up to you and your conscience to choose how to answer.
  • No, you won't get any points on your UK licence.
  • This will have no impact on you in the UK -- except for a rather large dent in your bank balance.
Good luck with the court-determined fine, and take it easy ...

22 Yards,

Thanks for the info.. It really does help..

Sorry I thought I had to send my license over hense me thinking I should get another made up..

I think I am in for a big dent in my bank balance... What a pain..

Gzzz - thank god they never caught me the year before... I don't even want to think the speed I was going rushing back to the airport..
Will def stay within the limits from now on!!!!


thanks for all your help guys..
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

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Just another spring warning... the unusually warm spring weather has got the police out as well with their lasers/radars, hoping to catch a few energy biscuits.

Remember, the pain curve starts lightly, but moves exponentially, especially in 30 or 50km/h zones:

Speeding fine chart

Happy motoring...you have been warned.
litespeed's translation of the speeding chart: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland? is the go to page for all the required information. 26 months ago I had a 4000CHF fine and a 2 year suspended fine/warning for driving over 110kmph in a 80kmph zone on the autobahn. Last month I had my first offence (radar camera) since then 148kmph on a 120kmph on the empty autobahn at 10pm . After getting the letter requesting drivers details I asked to see the picture first (hoping my brother from the UK who was in the car with me could take the slap) but it was clearly me. Had it been 3 months earlier I would have lost my license for 1 month, as it is I will get another 2 year warning. Apparently it looks like my fine will not be based on the income equation they use as it is just below that threshold but just above the flat fine. Everything that that was indicated in litespeed's translated table was spot on in my case. For anyone else's information I spoke with a lawyer about implications to my brother's UK license (had he been driving) - apparently they can not take away the license, they can impose a Swiss only ban and levy a fine which they can and do on occasions pursue. Once again - thanks to litespeed - easily the most useful post on this thread.
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

I had a look at the chart and clearly you are earning too much money...

I did the maths on it and I think I will receive a fine somewhere in the region of £1500(Ch2150) with a 3 month ban...

Thats not including any special terms they might give me as I'm divorced and pay maintenance for my daughter/ex...

I'm cool regarding not driving in Ch.. I think the next time Ineed to drive there is in Jan so thats plenty of time... Hopefully I only get a 3 month ban as its my first offence.. Also it took ages for this fine to come through, I was caught at the end of January and I only got it yesterday.. Thats like 3 months to send me a letter..

thanks again for all your help..
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Old 03.05.2011, 17:35
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

I understand that a new agreement between UK and Germany and France is to process your crime as if you had done it in your home country.

That means a German man speeding in France will be fined and banned by a German court.

Does anyone know if this has come into effect yet, and between which countries?
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Old 03.05.2011, 17:55
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I understand that a new agreement between UK and Germany and France is to process your crime as if you had done it in your home country.

That means a German man speeding in France will be fined and banned by a German court.

Does anyone know if this has come into effect yet, and between which countries?
It's definitely in place between France and the UK. Biking mates got done in the UK for speeding in France.
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I just wanted to share my experience since this forum helped me ENORMOUSLY.

I got flashed in St. Gallen inside the city boundaries in a 50 km/h zone. I am from Canada and about 45 days later, I got a letter in the mail saying that I was going 72 in a 50 zone. They reduced the speed by 3 km/h and charged me for violating the speed limit by 19 km. The letter was in English and said that due to the extent of the violation the fine cannot be determined in an "administrative" manner and must be handed to the competent court and follow "criminal" procedures! I was also asked to fill up the form with my info (name, address, license info and explanation of what happened).

The letter said to send the form back within 30 days of the postage stamp date. When I got the letter, I only had a few days left, so I immediately mailed it back but I also scanned and emailed it to the email address on the letter so they can get it as soon as possible.

About 10 days after I mailed the form I got the final verdict in the mail:

350 CHF fine + 150 CHF administrative charges for a total of 500 CHF.

My special thanks goes to litespeed for posting the speeding fine chart:
How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?
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I spoke to a Swiss friend of mine and he says that I will get another letter from the "street administration" for a 400 CHF fine on top of the 500 CHF! He referred me to this page:
http://www.schwiiz.eu/schweiz_bussge...windigkeit.php

Can anyone confirm this?
Sorry for the repost, I was just wondering if anyone had any idea if I will get a second fine?
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Old 06.05.2011, 04:46
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Sorry for the repost, I was just wondering if anyone had any idea if I will get a second fine?
You are generally fined only once for one offence, unless your punishment includes a suspended fine, which you would have to pay if you re-offend within a certain time period (usually 2 years).

What you may receive is a warning or licence suspension notice from the Strassenverkehrsamt, which is not a fine but will possibly involve administrative charges.
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Old 09.05.2011, 11:22
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

Zürich KAPO seem to be using unmarked BMW 5 and 3 Series station wagon/estates in large quantities for traffic enforcement...I've seen grey, dark blue and black ones in the last few weeks. Something similar to this:


After overtaking some traffic on the West Ring last night, I saw a dark blue 5-Series come up behind me quite quickly - I then noticed the "unique" characteristics of all HWP cars here:
  • two stern-looking occupants
  • two internal rear-view mirrors (one for the observer)
  • an ICV (In Car Video) camera
After double-checking I was being a good little motorist, it soon overtook me and found a more suitable victim...a old peugot cabriot that had been following someone way too closely...sure enough it moved in front and the "stop polizei" LED light came on in the rear window at the next exit.

Other Kantons also use BMWs, Volvo's and even Alfa Romeo's.. however beware of anything. I've even seen an 90's model Taurus with BE number plates fully rigged out as a traffic car.
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Zürich KAPO seem to be using unmarked BMW 5 and 3 Series station wagon/estates in large quantities for traffic enforcement...I've seen grey, dark blue and black ones in the last few weeks. Something similar to this:


After overtaking some traffic on the West Ring last night, I saw a dark blue 5-Series come up behind me quite quickly - I then noticed the "unique" characteristics of all HWP cars here:
  • two stern-looking occupants
  • two internal rear-view mirrors (one for the observer)
  • an ICV (In Car Video) camera
After double-checking I was being a good little motorist, it soon overtook me and found a more suitable victim...a old peugot cabriot that had been following someone way too closely...sure enough it moved in front and the "stop polizei" LED light came on in the rear window at the next exit.

Other Kantons also use BMWs, Volvo's and even Alfa Romeo's.. however beware of anything. I've even seen an 90's model Taurus with BE number plates fully rigged out as a traffic car.
Aye, I saw a dark blue unmarked BMW estate on the entry sliproad to the A3 (Horgen junction) He was pulling someone who decided to drop his mate off on the entry ramp to the Autobahn. Again Stop Polizei light on the back of it.

Initially I thought what's this piece of crap blocking my entry to the autobahn.

Needless to say being a relatively good boy at the moment, keeping at the speed limit, chilling on amber lights etc. I just can't be bothered with the hassle or the fines.

Be careful out there
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Old 09.05.2011, 11:54
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Zürich KAPO seem to be using unmarked BMW 5 and 3 Series station wagon/estates in large quantities for traffic enforcement......a old peugot cabriot that had been following someone way too closely...sure enough it moved in front and the "stop polizei" LED light came on in the rear window at the next exit.
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Aye, I saw a dark blue unmarked BMW estate on the entry sliproad to the A3 (Horgen junction) He was pulling someone who decided to drop his mate off on the entry ramp to the Autobahn. Again Stop Polizei light on the back of it.
In SG we have BMW, Volvo estate, and VW Passat but the stop sign alternates between the German, French and English for "Police - Follow Me". Isn't that nice of them?

I bet you Italian speakers feel left out .
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

I have just received a letter from the kantonspolizei with a message 'im strafverfahren betreffend widerhandlung gegen das svg' and no other details. I have to go the police station to meet with them. I was very worried so I called them to find out what it was and they told me it is for speeding on a motorcycle. I asked for more details and they told me they could not give to me until the meeting. Is this normal? What should I expect? If they want to ban me will they take my license there and then?
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I have just received a letter from the kantonspolizei with a message 'im strafverfahren betreffend widerhandlung gegen das svg' and no other details. I have to go the police station to meet with them. I was very worried so I called them to find out what it was and they told me it is for speeding on a motorcycle. I asked for more details and they told me they could not give to me until the meeting. Is this normal? What should I expect? If they want to ban me will they take my license there and then?
Welcome to the forum.

Only the police can tell you but it's obviously serious. At least they didn't come get you so maybe not as bad as it could be .
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

Thanks for the reply. I was hoping someone might be able to tell me what to expect. Is it normal they do not put the details of the offense on the letter? If it was really serious would I have got a court summons? I have no recollection of being flashed so I have no idea about the offense. Will they give me the penalty there and then? How serious must it be for me to get this letter?
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Old 24.05.2011, 17:10
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Thanks for the reply. I was hoping someone might be able to tell me what to expect. Is it normal they do not put the details of the offense on the letter? If it was really serious would I have got a court summons? I have no recollection of being flashed so I have no idea about the offense. Will they give me the penalty there and then? How serious must it be for me to get this letter?
I would call them, before I went in to the office.
It wouldn't do to end spending more time than you planned for, if you know what I mean.
If it is going to be a long bureaucratic hassle it would be best to have you calendar cleared for that day.

Good Luck.
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Old 24.05.2011, 17:47
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I have just received a letter from the kantonspolizei with a message 'im strafverfahren betreffend widerhandlung gegen das svg' and no other details. I have to go the police station to meet with them. I was very worried so I called them to find out what it was and they told me it is for speeding on a motorcycle. I asked for more details and they told me they could not give to me until the meeting. Is this normal? What should I expect? If they want to ban me will they take my license there and then?
Could you have been caught speeding in another country? If so, they often won't give the details over the phone - & it would probably be a long time ago....
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

Thanks all, I got done for 78kmh in a 50 zone, so I'm looking at a 3 month ban and a fine. Has anyone ever had any problem getting a job in Zurich cause a speeding fine is on their record?
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

A quick question regarding the speed deductions when caught.

I was caught driving at 71 km/h in a 50 zone (annoyingly just after it changed from an 80 zone, but it's a fair cop I suppose). I received a letter saying that after deductions it was 66 km/h, so falls 1 km/h into the 'light infringement' - fine + warning - bracket rather than just a fine.

As it wasn't a normal permanent camera and I was stopped by a temporary Police check I was under the impression from the very helpful speeding fines table posted http://www.englishforum.ch/732504-post137.html that my deduction might be 7km/h, which would make it just a fine.

Can anyone please explain the technology to me so I can make a call on whether it is worth appealing the deduction?

Also on a side note, the letter that arrived I think was suggesting that I could ask for the documentation (my limited French couldn't quite follow all the fine details). Is there anything in particular that I need to do or is this optional? I accept I've been a naughty boy but would obviously like to minimise the damage.
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

if you do a quick search on here then you'll soon find its not worth appealing, the fine will be increased and more costs added, they could also slap a ban on you as well, suck it up and pay the fine.

As for Nat110205, no it shouldn't affect you in the slightest, I know at least 1 person who got very seriously done speeding, 1 year ban, huge fine, etc etc and he has had no issues since finding work.
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

I have mentioned this before you can generally choose when to take the ban, ie if you are going abroad on holiday, that may be 2 weeks of the ban. You can also pay the fine in installments, usually over three months. Just be friendly to the authorities, they are just doing their job and work out a deal with them to dampen your pain!!
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