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Old 04.06.2012, 16:37
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Can I just run a reality check here

I was caught speeding in Basel Stadt (18 km/h over the 50 limit) back in February. I was fined CHF 400 by BS police and CHF 200 in 'admin' costs. Almost a month later, I get a bill from Basel Land Police (different Canton remember, but where I live) demanding CHF 200 in admin charges to register me on their database (if I commit another driving offence in the next 2 years I could get a ban)



Basel Stadt>Berne>Basel Land, each levying charges for exactly the same offence. How is this shakedown legal??
Hi Castro is there something you are not telling us. I can't believe what you are telling me... 18 over ok you paid the fine and then paid it again - very strange.
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Old 04.06.2012, 16:52
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Hi Castro is there something you are not telling us. I can't believe what you are telling me... 18 over ok you paid the fine and then paid it again - very strange.
The initial fine was CHF 400 + CHF 200 (charges) because I believe it had to go via the Federal system in Bern to be recorded. Thats ouch enough, but now it seems like my own home Canton want a bite of the same cherry by registering me on their home database. Had I still been living in Basel Stadt (where the offence occured) I'm guessing that I wouldn't be charged this. To me its ludicrous that you should be fined more for an offence that took place outside of your home canton.. doesn't kompute
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While I don’t deny I was speeding last night on the Motorway and shouldn’t have been of course (it was a long journey and I wanted home!), the car in front of me was doing equally the same speed and I was the same distance behind him/her for a good stretch of the motorway so we were doing roughly the same speed.

Somewhere near Winterthur we saw the camera flash. Now my question is, is it possible that they would have only flashed him and not me? Or are they quick enough to catch us both?

I definitely saw two flashes but they look liked they came out the front of the camera and then the back which leads me to believe that it could have been taking the picture of his front and then rear plate. Is this viable?

Wishful thinking I know! Anyway lesson learned for me after learning of the steepness of the fines and penalties.
Just an update on this. I eventually was fined 120 francs for doing 139 in a 120 zone.
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Just an update on this. I eventually was fined 120 francs for doing 139 in a 120 zone.
You were lucky!!
Last weekend I was driving in Zurich that I saw the flash of camera on my face. My GPS was saying 54 km/h in 50 zone. I am waiting for the fine.
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Old 05.06.2012, 10:34
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You were lucky!!
Last weekend I was driving in Zurich that I saw the flash of camera on my face. My GPS was saying 54 km/h in 50 zone. I am waiting for the fine.
Probably that was a new laser camera that is set to give only a 3kph margin so you were 1kph over?

Do not ask how I know!!
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Probably that was a new laser camera that is set to give only a 3kph margin so you were 1kph over?

Do not ask how I know!!
How much is my fine then?
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Old 05.06.2012, 11:07
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How much is my fine then?
40CHF and no TV for a week.
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40CHF and no TV for a week.
Thank you dear zurich police Hahaha
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Old 05.06.2012, 13:58
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You were lucky!!
Last weekend I was driving in Zurich that I saw the flash of camera on my face. My GPS was saying 54 km/h in 50 zone. I am waiting for the fine.
I'd be interested to know if your GPS speed and that of the laser camera differ. I suppose the car speedo was 60kph...
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Old 05.06.2012, 14:53
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40CHF and no TV for a week.
Will you get a week's worth Billag refund?
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Old 05.06.2012, 16:37
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My GPS was saying 54 km/h in 50 zone. I am waiting for the fine.
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Probably that was a new laser camera that is set to give only a 3kph margin so you were 1kph over?

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I'd be interested to know if your GPS speed and that of the laser camera differ. I suppose the car speedo was 60kph...
My thought too. Car speedos are set to over-read and the safety margin deducted from the detected speed in part compensates for this ... so it may be that the fine will be for +4 km/h over the limit. Doesn't make much difference, really.
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Old 05.06.2012, 17:24
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My thought too. Car speedos are set to over-read and the safety margin deducted from the detected speed in part compensates for this ... so it may be that the fine will be for +4 km/h over the limit. Doesn't make much difference, really.
Umm

Probably the GPS is 100% correct so the OP was really doing 54Kph.

If it was a laser camera then they will deduct 3kph from the 4Kph & the OP gets a 1 Kph fine.

There is no way the camera can look inside the car & check what the speedo is reading.

About "Car speedos are set to over-read", actually not - they are set to show not less than the actual speed. Depending on the manufacturer & the quality of the components they use they may set the speedo to show more than the actual speed by some margin. I have one car which has a speedo that is pretty close to 100% accurate that always gives me a second trip past the speed checker during the Vorfuhrung (did I spell that correctly?).
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Old 05.06.2012, 17:47
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There is no way the camera can look inside the car & check what the speedo is reading.
Who's suggest that one??


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About "Car speedos are set to over-read", actually not - they are set to show not less than the actual speed. Depending on the manufacturer & the quality of the components they use they may set the speedo to show more than the actual speed by some margin. I have one car which has a speedo that is pretty close to 100% accurate that always gives me a second trip past the speed checker during the Vorfuhrung (did I spell that correctly?).
VW speedos are about 8% under. So are most other makes round me when we pass favourite radar areas. Mine shows 46KPH when the GPS is 50KPH...
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Old 05.06.2012, 18:29
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VW speedos are about 8% under. So are most other makes round me when we pass favourite radar areas. Mine shows 46KPH when the GPS is 50KPH...
AFAIK, speedo manufacturers are required to ensure that the speedo is accurate or over-reads (i.e. claims a faster speed than the actual speed). Seems strange that your VW is under-reading. Maybe your GPS is reading from a satellite that's been knocked out of orbit ...

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Umm

Probably the GPS is 100% correct so the OP was really doing 54Kph.

If it was a laser camera then they will deduct 3kph from the 4Kph & the OP gets a 1 Kph fine.

There is no way the camera can look inside the car & check what the speedo is reading.

About "Car speedos are set to over-read", actually not - they are set to show not less than the actual speed. Depending on the manufacturer & the quality of the components they use they may set the speedo to show more than the actual speed by some margin. I have one car which has a speedo that is pretty close to 100% accurate that always gives me a second trip past the speed checker during the Vorfuhrung (did I spell that correctly?).
I thought about that again after I posted -- kind of engage brain after openimng mouth. I think I'm probably correct that the GPS speed would be accurate but I don't know how the "safety margin" of the speed camera gun works ... presumably the gun reads what it believes the speed to be but a percentage is deducted to eliminate doubt. However, that percentage may well be less than the amount by which the speedo over-reads ... does that make sense?
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AFAIK, speedo manufacturers are required to ensure that the speedo is accurate or over-reads (i.e. claims a faster speed than the actual speed). Seems strange that your VW is under-reading. Maybe your GPS is reading from a satellite that's been knocked out of orbit ...


I thought about that again after I posted -- kind of engage brain after openimng mouth. I think I'm probably correct that the GPS speed would be accurate but I don't know how the "safety margin" of the speed camera gun works ... presumably the gun reads what it believes the speed to be but a percentage is deducted to eliminate doubt. However, that percentage may well be less than the amount by which the speedo over-reads ... does that make sense?
Just engaged my brain too. Yes I mean when the GPS shows 50KPH the speedo is on 55KPH. Doh....
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AFAIK, speedo manufacturers are required to ensure that the speedo is accurate or over-reads (i.e. claims a faster speed than the actual speed). Seems strange that your VW is under-reading.
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1 Die am Geschwindigkeitsmesser angezeigte Fahrgeschwindigkeit darf nie unter der tatsächlichen Geschwindigkeit liegen. Im Bereich zwischen 40 km/h und 120 km/h muss zwischen der vom Geschwindigkeitsmesser angezeigten Geschwindigkeit V1 und der tatsächlichen Geschwindigkeit V2 folgende Beziehung bestehen:

0 ≤ V1 - V2 ≤ V2/10 + 4 km/h
The speed indicated on the speedometer must never be lower than the true speed. Between 40km/h and 120km/h the indicated speed V1 and the true V2 must satisfy the equation: 0 ≤ V1 - V2 ≤ V2/10 + 4 km/h

Ex 1: Under-reading, true speed V2=60 km/h, speedometer 54 km/h -> V1 -V2 = -6 km/h -> does not satisfy the equation, hence illegal.
Ex 2: Over-reading. True speed V2= 60 km/h, speedometer 70 km/h, V1 - V2 = 10 km/h, V2/10 + 4 km/h = 10 km/h -> everything is fine.
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Last weekend I was driving in Zurich that I saw the flash of camera on my face. My GPS was saying 54 km/h in 50 zone. I am waiting for the fine.
I got the fine. It stated that I was driving 56 km/h. They subtracted 5!. So it is 51 in 50 zone and I have to pay 40CHF.
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You were lucky!!
Last weekend I was driving in Zurich that I saw the flash of camera on my face. My GPS was saying 54 km/h in 50 zone. I am waiting for the fine.
but aren't GPS speeds usually a little off from the real speed? maybe you were going 56 or 57????
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Old 03.07.2012, 16:18
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but aren't GPS speeds usually a little off from the real speed? maybe you were going 56 or 57????
No, they're usually spot on, although of course that will depend in satellite reception, so for example a handheld inside the car in a forest or high-rise town area may not be as accurate, or be accurate as quickly, as a built-in one with roof aerial in the open countryside. But by and large, if they're showing a speed at all it will be correct, within +-1kph at least, IME.

Sometimes a camera will flash even if you're slightly under the threshold, given that it's triggered by the speed it reads as you approach it, which depending on lane layout and angles may be slightly less accurate than the speed it measures at the point of flashing (plus it's set like that just in case you speed up after it first detects you). I've been flashed a few times while just under the limit, like this 54 in a 50, and never got a ticket for them.
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but aren't GPS speeds usually a little off from the real speed? maybe you were going 56 or 57????
If you changing your speed - there is a lag in gps reading. So if you are speeding up, gps will show speed you had seconds before but not the current speed.
The lag normally depends on reception quality, processing power of your unit etc.
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