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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

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If you changing your speed - there is a lag in gps reading. So if you are speeding up, gps will show speed you had seconds before but not the current speed.
The lag normally depends on reception quality, processing power of your unit etc.
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and with any modern GPS unit will normally[1] be much less than a second - the days of waiting for the GPS to 'catch up' with you are firmly confined to ancient history, i.e. before 2000 when the US government turned off the signal 'fuzzing' known as 'Selective Availability'.

[1] Assuming you're not in a tunnel or between high buildings or mountains.
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

Got videotaped by disguised police car on highway in Basel...too close to a truck. Upon exiting towards work, the police car stopped me and fined me 800 CHF on the spot. Doesn't that seem excessive to you? 800 chf! What can I do?
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Old 30.11.2013, 01:49
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Got videotaped by disguised police car on highway in Basel...too close to a truck. Upon exiting towards work, the police car stopped me and fined me 800 CHF on the spot. Doesn't that seem excessive to you? 800 chf! What can I do?
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Usually you get at least a one month driving ban as well; I would keep quiet if I were you


On second thoughts; are you sure it was a police car?
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

I wasn't caught speeding I was at the lights in the town centre the lights changed to green I was behind the car in front after 15 seconds it turned to red.

I was pass the line of no return and the cameras didn't click as I went the 15 meters to join the road on the other side.

I was aware I had crossed on the yellow. a unmarked police car pulled along side of me and asked me to park up. which I did and the cop car was two cars behind me and said I had jumped a red light? I said no I didn't it was clearly yellow when my car had passed the line for the traffics lights and the traffic cameras which flash didn't flash.

They insisted I did and wrote me a 250chf fine. Anyone have experience of taking this kind of case further?
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

If the light is yellow you must stop, before it turns red. So it will be your word against 2 police officers. I wonder who will win, and who will pay the court fees?
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Old 30.11.2013, 09:08
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I wasn't caught speeding I was at the lights in the town centre the lights changed to green I was behind the car in front after 15 seconds it turned to red.

I was pass the line of no return and the cameras didn't click as I went the 15 meters to join the road on the other side.

I was aware I had crossed on the yellow. a unmarked police car pulled along side of me and asked me to park up. which I did and the cop car was two cars behind me and said I had jumped a red light? I said no I didn't it was clearly yellow when my car had passed the line for the traffics lights and the traffic cameras which flash didn't flash.

They insisted I did and wrote me a 250chf fine. Anyone have experience of taking this kind of case further?
I can't work out if you crossed through the lights on green or yellow? If you are in basically standing traffic and the lights change to yellow, you don't really have any excuse if you go through them - it's not exactly difficult to stop. However if you are travelling at normal speed and the lights change in front of you from green to yellow, you can normally go through otherwise it would be unsafe to slam on your brakes.

If you did go through on yellow whilst in a queue (and I see plenty of drivers sneaking through like this) I don't think you'll get far with an appeal. If you definitely went through on green and it changed after you were through them maybe you can argue your case but, in reality, I would just pay the fine.

To be honest I'm surprised the police issue such high fines on the spot. It normally goes through a judge, doesn't it?
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Got videotaped by disguised police car on highway in Basel...too close to a truck. Upon exiting towards work, the police car stopped me and fined me 800 CHF on the spot. Doesn't that seem excessive to you? 800 chf! What can I do?
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

To Marton: the credit card stub has Autobahn Polizei on it and the Kaution paper seems legit...but I will have a Swiss friend call in next week to check on this...seems so excessive. I was not that close, no more than in traffic in the morning...and well below the speed limit. Should have sped and passed the damn truck; even speeding 30 km/h over the limit would not be that much!!

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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

Estivale - marton is right, you are lucky you didn't lose the license. I saw a spot on 10vor10 not that long ago that the police were going to start taping these "following too close" incidents and issuing fines and especially bans more often. I know somewhere on EF we have a table of fines for speeding. Anyone seen a table for other offenses, such as following too closely?
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Old 30.11.2013, 14:26
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Estivale - marton is right, you are lucky you didn't lose the license. I saw a spot on 10vor10 not that long ago that the police were going to start taping these "following too close" incidents and issuing fines and especially bans more often. I know somewhere on EF we have a table of fines for speeding. Anyone seen a table for other offenses, such as following too closely?
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Would be good to see; also would be good to know exactly what " too close" is?


I have heard 1 metre space rquired for every 1 Kmh but if that was true then 90% of Swiss drivers would be in trouble
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

Tailgating is one of the worst features of Swiss roads and it's good to know that steps are being taking to curb it.

As to how close is too close? The stopping distances we learned for our driving test will give a clue. As do the occasional chevrons on the carriage ways where two should be visible at 120kph...
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About "Anyone seen a table for other offenses, such as following too closely"


Would be good to see; also would be good to know exactly what " too close" is?


I have heard 1 metre space rquired for every 1 Kmh but if that was true then 90% of Swiss drivers would be in trouble
For a quick rule of thumb, we were taught the two second rule which means when the car in front passes a fixed point (lamp post, street sign, whatever) you shouldn't pass it any less than two seconds later. It applies at any speed.
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For a quick rule of thumb, we were taught the two second rule which means when the car in front passes a fixed point (lamp post, street sign, whatever) you shouldn't pass it any less than two seconds later. It applies at any speed.
In fact you can chant the old slogan: "only a fool passes the 2 second rule"...
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Old 01.12.2013, 12:31
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For a quick rule of thumb, we were taught the two second rule which means when the car in front passes a fixed point (lamp post, street sign, whatever) you shouldn't pass it any less than two seconds later. It applies at any speed.
About " we were taught the two second rule" - was that in Switzerland?
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About " we were taught the two second rule" - was that in Switzerland?
Nope, UK driving lessons. I booked a couple of extra motorway sessions after I'd passed my test and it was one of the tips I was given. Obviously, you increase this distance if there is poor visibility.
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About "Anyone seen a table for other offenses, such as following too closely"


Would be good to see; also would be good to know exactly what " too close" is?


I have heard 1 metre space rquired for every 1 Kmh but if that was true then 90% of Swiss drivers would be in trouble
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For a quick rule of thumb, we were taught the two second rule which means when the car in front passes a fixed point (lamp post, street sign, whatever) you shouldn't pass it any less than two seconds later. It applies at any speed.
Either 2 seconds or 0.5 m per km/h (a.k.a half the speedometer, 1.8 seconds). For 120 km/h this computes to either 66.6 m or 60 m. Here is a handy hint:

The poles on the Autobahn are spaced 50 meters apart.

The federal court ruled that distance of less than "1/6 of the speedometer" or 0.6 seconds can be a serious infraction. A serious infraction means a license ban of at least 3 months.


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"Im Sinne von Faustregeln stellt die Rechtsprechung für Personenwagen auf die Regel "halber Tacho" und die "Zwei-Sekunden"-Regel ab (BGE 131 IV 133 E. 3.1 mit Hinweisen). Die anhand dieser Regeln berechnete Distanz entspricht ungefähr der Anhaltestrecke bei plötzlichem ordnungsgemässem Bremsen und Anhalten des vorausfahrenden Personenwagens (BGE 104 IV 192 E. 2b). Für die Beurteilung, ob eine grobe Verkehrsregelverletzung anzunehmen ist, wird als Richtschnur die Regel "1/6-Tacho" bzw. der Abstand von 0,6 Sekunden herangezogen (BGE 131 IV 133 E. 3.2.2; Urteil 6B_749/2012 vom 15. Mai 2013 E. 2.3.2; je mit Hinweisen)."
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I can't work out if you crossed through the lights on green or yellow? If you are in basically standing traffic and the lights change to yellow, you don't really have any excuse if you go through them - it's not exactly difficult to stop. However if you are travelling at normal speed and the lights change in front of you from green to yellow, you can normally go through otherwise it would be unsafe to slam on your brakes.

If you did go through on yellow whilst in a queue (and I see plenty of drivers sneaking through like this) I don't think you'll get far with an appeal. If you definitely went through on green and it changed after you were through them maybe you can argue your case but, in reality, I would just pay the fine.

To be honest I'm surprised the police issue such high fines on the spot. It normally goes through a judge, doesn't it?
well it was green turned yellow and then red while I was half way across. If I did break the law then surely the police cameras which are there would have flashed me.
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Either 2 seconds or 0.5 m per km/h (a.k.a half the speedometer, 1.8 seconds). For 120 km/h this computes to either 66.6 m or 60 m.....

The federal court ruled that distance of less than "1/6 of the speedometer" or 0.6 seconds can be a serious infraction. A serious infraction means a license ban of at least 3 months.
So at 60kmh, the "1/6 of the speedometer" = 10m (13m at 80kmh)
Around the motorway junctions it's easy to do and common to see these distances between closing vehicles, so maybe the OP has been hard done by, was just unlucky, or was tailgating for the final 500m, etc.

As for contesting the fine, if the minimum fine was say CHF200, and the maximum salary based and a ban, CHF800 still smarts, but doesn't seem unreasonable.

Indeed, in the links from aSwissInTheUs, one appeal resulted in "The judicial costs of CHF 1'600 - Imposed on the complainant ." That's on top of his initial fine of CHF9600(!!!!!!) which was reduced on first appeal to CHF5400. That was for blatant dangerous tailgating car to car, mind you, not the OPs offence.
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well it was green turned yellow and then red while I was half way across. If I did break the law then surely the police cameras which are there would have flashed me.


The police cameras are not always switched on!
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