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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34752334...ews/?GT1=43001

would this answer some questions
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Old 08.01.2010, 00:46
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Very interesting thread...

This new model is completely undetectable, they will have to stop you and search the car for it.
It's a radio receiver, it can be detected as soon as you switch it on.

...and in France, once they do stop you and search the car, they'll nail you
for having one in the car whether it's "currently" switched on or not.
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Bah too fast for me http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8446545.stm
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Are these legal in CH?

<video of inconspicuous radar detector>

This new model is completely undetectable, they will have to stop you and search the car for it.
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No, they aren't. They aren't legal in Spain either, are they?
They're not legal in Australia, where that video was shot, either. But if they're sufficiently inconspicuous, then that's OK.
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No, they aren't. They aren't legal in Spain either, are they?
No they aren't, if they catch you is 6 points and 600€ gone
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

hi there,

i have a query and was wondering if any one could help!

basically i worked in switzerland last year, from february until july... i had a hire car for the entire period and was a very good boy until the last month... got clocked doing 26kmph over the speed limit... they sent one letter asking for my details, which i filled out, but i didn't stay long enough to receive the actual bill.

the car was registered to my swiss address so i've received no correspondence to my british address. they took a "prepayment" from my credit card as a deposit, which they cancelled once i handed the car back.

now i plan to return for a holiday in a couple of weeks. should i expect imminent arrest at the border? i'm driving there in a british car...

p.s. i used a crappy car hire company i found on a run down industrial estate in bussingy, lausanne (www.patricklocation.ch). i advise that nobody ever uses this company. they gave me a vw golf that broke down one time and left me stranded another time as the key decided not to fit into the ignition (took me half an hour of hammering to finally get it in)... then they had the cheek to charge me CHF300 for handing the car back with too little oil, even though i put two litres, yes TWO litres, into the car just 2 weeks before handing it back! big mistake... i should have read the signs (dodgy place, crappy car)

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Old 09.01.2010, 08:35
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

Hi Pendarenik:

Sounds a rather un-Swiss car hire company. The fine initially would be between the police and you, but the hire company would soon be drawn in if you don't pay. The hire company would then normally debit your credit card with the fine being debited by the hire company. But as you completed fine details, presumably the hire company gave the police your details and you obviously received the fine as you know exactly how fast you were going.

Unpaid fines quickly double. Your details will be on record here, it all depends on what situation you you get into. A UK will usually not be stopped, except to pay for an Autobahn vignette. But, if you want to hire another car, or are stopped in a police check...

I don't see why you didn't make sure you paid the fine if you are now anxious. Also however "crappy" the hire company may be, speeding was nothing to do with them...
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

dear abfab,

thank you for the response. i had the intention of paying the fine, hence why i completed the preliminary form. but as i received this form only a few weeks before leaving the country, i wasn't there to receive the actual fine (or court summons!). i assume the new tenants of my apartment received it...

any suggestions of how i can proceed from here? many thanks!

p.s. i called the hire company "crappy" because of their service and not because of the speeding ticket!
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

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Weeeeell...this guy has it a bit obvious but I've seen some that are hidden on the side of the central panel, and therefore the police needs to get in your car.

Anyway I understand with your answer that is not legal in CH, right?
Let's be serious about this. It is technically illegal to "think about" avoiding speed traps. I.E. If you see a radar camera and brake you are breaking the law. One of the few situations that "thought crime" actually exists.

Let's face it, it is obviously a way of collecting money. If it was about safety, they would do it differently. If you stay close to the limit and use your Navigation device to help you monitor your speed you should have no problems staying legal enough. Most of the time...

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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

I have a question...its not a speeding fine, but a Parking fine. Plse help me, the suspense is killing me as I have no clue what to expect in the post, or amount I will be expecting to pay...

The story:I took my kids to ice skating lessons, parked by the school (which had signs that only authorised cars with parking cards from the school) are allowed to park. I stupidly asked the ice skating instructor if we were allowed to park there (as I saw about 15 other mom's parking there - and all subsequently now have the same fine as me!) and was told that normally the Kiosk (at rink) issue these cards, but kiosk is not open and no-one there...ja, its ok then to park there . I am angry at myself actually!

So, now I have a yellow card that reads:Strafantrag an das Bezirksamt XXX wegen Ubertreten eines richterlichen Verbotes.

i got the ticket in a little plastic folder in my windscreen, and it has no amount on it.

can anyone please put me out of my misery (or at least tell me if they will come and fetch me and put me away ), and tell me how much will I pay, or will I lose my license for a few months huh!

I just want to know what to expect a bit, and I guess otherwise I will just have to wait and see what i get in my postbox! - but I cant wait!

Thanks so much
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Old 21.01.2010, 21:31
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can anyone please put me out of my misery (or at least tell me if they will come and fetch me and put me away ), and tell me how much will I pay, or will I lose my license for a few months huh!

I just want to know what to expect a bit, and I guess otherwise I will just have to wait and see what i get in my postbox! - but I cant wait!

Thanks so much
No expert but I would definitely say you would not lose your license at worst I would say you will get a fine.
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I have a question...its not a speeding fine, but a Parking fine. Plse help me, the suspense is killing me as I have no clue what to expect in the post, or amount I will be expecting to pay...

The story:I took my kids to ice skating lessons, parked by the school (which had signs that only authorised cars with parking cards from the school) are allowed to park. I stupidly asked the ice skating instructor if we were allowed to park there (as I saw about 15 other mom's parking there - and all subsequently now have the same fine as me!) and was told that normally the Kiosk (at rink) issue these cards, but kiosk is not open and no-one there...ja, its ok then to park there . I am angry at myself actually!

So, now I have a yellow card that reads:Strafantrag an das Bezirksamt XXX wegen Ubertreten eines richterlichen Verbotes.

i got the ticket in a little plastic folder in my windscreen, and it has no amount on it.

can anyone please put me out of my misery (or at least tell me if they will come and fetch me and put me away ), and tell me how much will I pay, or will I lose my license for a few months huh!

I just want to know what to expect a bit, and I guess otherwise I will just have to wait and see what i get in my postbox! - but I cant wait!

Thanks so much
You should all write to the responsible agency and complain that they weren't doing their job correctly and therefore you couldn't pay the parking fee. The Swiss will relent if there is fault.

However, the fine should only be around 40 chf.

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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

And how do you pay for any vehicle fine, like parking. A money order for a low amount like 40 SF costs more than that. Certified mail also costs. Just sending leftover SF cash (they want payment in SF) even with proof of mailing and contents means the cash disappears, the rental car company mails you the notice then won't take your credit card, the police won't take your credit card, and the bank won't either. Email the consulate or embassy and they say they can't help. Neither will the American rental car counterpart. Do you end up paying up to 100 dollars for an equivalent of 45 in the fine? They want payment in 30 days and then penalties double the fine on and on.
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Old 09.02.2010, 11:42
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

Pay by internet banking, directly into the issuing authority's bank account (or over the counter at your local bank, if necessary). You should have received an orange paying-in slip with the fine -- this has all the bank details on it (including a very long reference number, which you will need to quote). The most important pieces of information are the IBAN (starting with CH-), which includes the payee's bank account number, and the reference number.
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

A freind of my wife's got a speeding ticket a few months back. They asked me at the time what they thought they would get, I thought a fine and one months ban. They were 56km/h in a 30 zone if I remember correctly.

Anyway cut to the chase they received the fine of 600 CHF or there abouts, they thought that was the end of it. Then they received a letter telling them that they were banned for driving for one month strating on x and ending on y and they had to send their driving license off, I guess to the cantonal office for which they received another invoice of 150 CHF for admin of looking after it.

They also told my wife that they are now on a blacklist for 10 years, not sure this is the correct interpretation.

Is this a kind of repeat offenders list?
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They also told my wife that they are now on a blacklist for 10 years, not sure this is the correct interpretation.

Is this a kind of repeat offenders list?
If she does something similar (in legalese it's called "mittelschwere Widerhandlung") within the next two years, she will lose her license for at least four months.

If she does it again three times within ten years, she will lose her license for an indefinite period, but at least two years (AFAIK this means that she could reapply for the license after two years).

The whole system is rather complicated. If you speak French, Italian or German you can look it up here. (Art. 16a, 16b, 16c)

However, this system only applies to cases of more serious speeding (>15 kph in towns/cities, >20kph outside of towns, >25kph on the autobahn). If she's caught speeding below those tresholds she will just receive a fine and it won't affect her record.
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

Just a timely reminder that spring will be here soon and it means one thing...as soon as some warm weather appears the police will be coming out of hibernation with their weapons of mass deduction. When the weather was warmer last week I even saw them active in a 30km/h zone.

There also seems to be a lot of questions about the scale of fines. I decided to translate probably the best reference there is to speeding fines, which is the ACS Bussenkatalog.

The table of Administrative Actions in the Bussenkatalog continues for about 4 pages, so I only included the first section. If you need the subsequent pages, you don't need my help...you know the drill already.

What I forgot to include was measured speed deductions for particular devices to determine infringement speed:

Speeds to 100km/h: - 3 Laser fix, -5 Radar Fix, -7 Radar moblie
101-150km/h: - 4 Laser fix, -6 Radar Fix, -8 Radar moblie
over 150km/h: -5 Laser fix, -7 Radar Fix, -9 Radar mobile

Important: This information relates only to a simple speeding offences. If other circumstances exist (unlicensed, intoxicated, dangerous driving, accident, injuries, etc.) then it's a whole different ball game.




UPDATE : See also this thread regarding new penalties for serious speeding that came into force in January 2013.

http://www.englishforum.ch/transport...new-fines.html
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

I never received a fine at home. Previous car was Belgian plates....and have 3 outstanding parking tickets with that car.....brought the car home to belgium and bought a Swiss car. Parents never received anything.....This is 4 months that the cars is back home.....

Im not gonna worry about it. If they do not send it to your registered adress of the car I would forget about it.

Funny enough thats what the police receptionist told me to do also.....when I went to pay 2 other parking tickets....

mmmm Someone must have taken it off my windshield.....
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

@litespeed: Great job! Just one remark: Which one of the three levels (built-up area/innerorts, highway/ausserorts, freeway/Autobahn) applies, is not determined by the speed limit, but by the type of the road.

E.g. in 60/80/100 zones on the freeway/Autobahn, the freeway rules apply despite the lower speed limit.

CAUTION: on "Autostrassen" (usually controlled-access 2-lane-highways but sometimes 4-lane-highways) the highway/ausserorts rules apply!


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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

I've also translated the examples written in the ACS document:

Example 1

Karen was detected in Bern driving at 76km/h in a 50km/h zone by a fixed laser speed detection device. After deducting 3km/h the official measured excess is 23km/h over the limit. The Court in Bern will issue Karen with a fine of approx. 660 francs plus court costs. The traffic office (Strassenverkehrsamt) in Zürich, where Karen lives, are notified, and confiscate Karen’s licence for 1 Month.


Example 2


Kevin is measured by a fixed radar device in Zürich travelling at 120km/h in an 80km/h zone. After taking away 6km/h, the official measured excess is 34km/h over the limit. The Zürich prosecutors office will summons Kevin to court. Because Kevin is a first offender, he will receive a fine for the offence, plus he receives a a suspended monetary sentence based on a 2 year probation.


Kevin earns 10’000 francs netto per month. Therefore his DI (Daily income is calculated as 7’500chf divided by 30 .... 25% is deducted from the Netto amount) is 250.00 chf.


The fine is determined as 25% of his monthly income, ca. 2,500 francs plus court costs. The suspended monetary sentence is determined as 10xDI so also 2,500 francs. While Kevin lives in Zürich, the traffic office (Strassenverkehrsamt) are notified, and Kevin loses his licence for 3 Months. So provided Kevin keeps his foot of the gas for 2 years, he won’t have to pay the suspended fine.


But alas, 20 Months later poor Kevin is detected again, this time 27km/h over the limit in 50km/h zone (after margin deduction). This time he receives a new monetary sentence of 2,500 francs. In addition, Kevin must now pay the suspended fine of 2’500 francs from the previous offence, so a total of 5’000 francs on this occasion plus court costs. As he has re-offended within 2 years, he loses his licence for 12 months.


Don’t be Kevin. (or Karen for that matter).
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