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Old 14.05.2010, 09:08
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

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Will AVIS charge the fine directly to my Credit Card?
This is most likely outcome, unless you clock up more tickets in Italy, Austria and Germany...
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Hi,

I have read a few threads in this forum but I have a specific question and would appreciate it if someone could answer this for me

1. Rented a car from AVIS, Frankfurt... Currently in Switzerland for a holiday.
2. Am from India
3. Pretty sure that I was caught on camera today on the A5 (near BERN) for driving at 120 Km/h (speed limit was 100)
4. Pretty sure that I was caught on camera in Neuchatel (1st day in Switzerland) for lane crossing (I was trying to locate my address).
5. I am in Switzerland for a couple of days more and then driving to Italy and Austria before returning the car back to AVIS in Munich
6. No intention to return back to Switzerland for the next 5 years

Query - Will AVIS charge the fine directly to my Credit Card? or will they track me down in India? What are my options to pay this fine (If I ever get it) and how much would it be?

Thanks in advance and appreciate any replies
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Exactly, hopefully you didn't make mistakes in other locations.

If you were really going 120 in a 100 zone on the Autoroute the fine will be minimal. Pay it, be glad that your license won't be affected and get on with your life, secure in the knowledge that you can come back to loverly Europe anytime you want with no repercussions.

As far as the lane crossing, I don't know that they will do anything about that. If I am wrong, please someone tell me how this works. Thanks.

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Old 16.05.2010, 22:05
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Exactly, hopefully you didn't make mistakes in other locations.

If you were really going 120 in a 100 zone on the Autoroute the fine will be minimal. Pay it, be glad that your license won't be affected and get on with your life, secure in the knowledge that you can come back to loverly Europe anytime you want with no repercussions.

As far as the lane crossing, I don't know that they will do anything about that. If I am wrong, please someone tell me how this works. Thanks.

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Lane crossing! I once changed lanes approaching the lights by the Marriot hotel in Zurich coming from the Milchbuck tunnel snapped by camera; the fine was 730CHF for crossing a white line plus avoiding a red light
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

I was flashed by a mobile speed camera doing about 70ish in a 60kph zone (the bottom deck of the Dreirosenbrücke). I guess what confused me is the fact that as you go down it feels like you're entering a tunnel and usually the speed limit in those is around 80 kph. Anyway I digress, the camera flashed me on Sunday 2nd May and as yet I've not received a letter, for how much longer do I need to be looking over my shoulder?
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I was flashed by a mobile speed camera doing about 70ish in a 60kph zone (the bottom deck of the Dreirosenbrücke). I guess what confused me is the fact that as you go down it feels like you're entering a tunnel and usually the speed limit in those is around 80 kph. Anyway I digress, the camera flashed me on Sunday 2nd May and as yet I've not received a letter, for how much longer do I need to be looking over my shoulder?
No easy way of saying this: 'til it comes in the post.

70 in a 60 isn't a biggie though, although I guess it depends which end of 70ish it was: 70 or 79!
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I was flashed by a mobile speed camera doing about 70ish in a 60kph zone (the bottom deck of the Dreirosenbrücke). I guess what confused me is the fact that as you go down it feels like you're entering a tunnel and usually the speed limit in those is around 80 kph. Anyway I digress, the camera flashed me on Sunday 2nd May and as yet I've not received a letter, for how much longer do I need to be looking over my shoulder?
Were other vehicles near yours? I have been flashed twice in Zurich when there were other cars next to me behind and in front. I thought I was within the limit, but one of the others could have been accelerating.

Anyway this was months ago and I never heard anything more...
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

thanks for your great post! very helpful

I need your advice. My situation:

-35km above on the autoroute in a 100 zone; paid a 1000 CHF fine and lost my license for 3 months. The fine was paid in NE (where the speeding occurred) but the administrative action to take my license was made in GE (where I lived).

-new situation. I was 29 above on the autoroute in an area where the limit was 80 km/h because of roadworks. That was in Canton VD. I know live in Canton VS. They sent the letter (without fine) asking for information to identify the driver. This was sent to my employer because it was a company car and the plates are not directly linked to me.

What should I do?

As this is a repeat offense in less than one year (first offence was in March 2009), I am guessing it will be bad. How bad?

And what about the administrative action? Will VD fine me, and then sent the case to VS for them to determine my administrative fine separately?

Also, I have heard about some fines being handled locally and others being referred to federal court.

Is it worth saying my wife was driving (she has a clean record)?

Thanks for the tips
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Old 10.06.2010, 05:36
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

1.What should I do?

Don't lie. Tell the truth. Take it on the chin like the rest of us.

2.As this is a repeat offense in less than one year (first offence was in March 2009), I am guessing it will be bad. How bad?

Yes, bad. Probably a similar fine to last time, maybe more as repeat offender.

3. And what about the administrative action? Will VD fine me, and then sent the case to VS for them to determine my administrative fine separately?

Not sure how roadworks are dealt with, but according to this table translated from the ACS speeding fine catalogue, you are looking at a minimum 1-4 months sans licence. Yes, you'll be fined by VD, taken off the road by VS.

4. Also, I have heard about some fines being handled locally and others being referred to federal court.

Unless you intend appealing, I'd say it will be dealt with locally.

5. Is it worth saying my wife was driving (she has a clean record)?

See answer to question 1. These guys probably have a photo of your startled dial behind the wheel. They'll compare the photo with whatever photos / data they have on the nominated driver. If they don't match, expect to probed where the sun don't shine. At the moment it is still just a traffic offence. Don't turn it into a criminal one of attempting to perverting the course of justice (or whatever the Swiss equivalent is).
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

Hi everybody, here my case.

Few days ago I've received a notification from the Swiss police (canton St.Gallen) without any stamp or date and I didn't had to sign anything.

My infraction was 36km/h in a "localite" road (limit 50) ..bad I know, I probably misunderstood the road typ, usually I don't exceed speed limits more than 5 km/h.

Btw, they asked me to write back the conductor details within 30 days.
My questions are:

1) Can they send the notication whenever thay want or do they have a time limit?I've received it more than 1year after my infraction.

A friend who's living in CH suggest me to declare one of familiar was driving and I don't know who is ..in Switzerland it's not mandatory to testify against people of your family, so in theory they couldn't recognize who was driving at that time. Plus the vehicle is a motorbike, so I was wearing a helmet and I can't be recognizable in the pic.

2) Someone followed the same way?

Bad destiny, I could be back in Switzerland in the beginning of July ..can I have problems at the borders even I didn't received any comunication from he curts yet?

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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

I think that fines given, for breaking the speed limit, to Swiss residents are calculated from WEALTH.

Check out this article, from the BBC earlier this year, where SG courts handed out a immodest fine...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8446545.stm

[I got flashed in ZH, but some years ago, when I was living in Germany. I was doing 56km/h in a 50km/h. Nobody knew my wealth, not even me, at that time - so it was a fixed penalty notice (EUR85). Actually, I had set my cruise control to 60km/h, in the belief that the limit was 60km/h. I think that +6km/h was the threshold]


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Old 25.06.2010, 17:54
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I think that fines given, for breaking the speed limit, to Swiss residents are calculated from WEALTH.
Only if you are speeding excessively. Otherwise you just get a standard fine. See here.

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1) Can they send the notication whenever thay want or do they have a time limit?I've received it more than 1year after my infraction.

A friend who's living in CH suggest me to declare one of familiar was driving and I don't know who is ..in Switzerland it's not mandatory to testify against people of your family, so in theory they couldn't recognize who was driving at that time. Plus the vehicle is a motorbike, so I was wearing a helmet and I can't be recognizable in the pic.
I don't think there is a time limit, and as I understand it you are in Italy, so it would take them a while to track you down.

You are responsible for your motorbike/car. If you cannot identify the driver, unless your bike is reported as stolen, you will take the rap.

If you have ongoing case they will/should not give you grief. If you have an outstanding case ongoing that you are not responding to, they will (if they catch you).
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Only if you are speeding excessively. Otherwise you just get a standard fine. See here.
Kudos "Carlos R" for digging that out and "litespeed" for putting it together.

It is interesting (perhaps only to those with scientific/engineering/mathematical backgrounds) that there are discontinuities in the table. For example, at +24km/h, the fine is fixed - but at +25km/h, it is related back to daily income. In some cases, one could actually be fined less for speeding more.

Presumably, that's why the local chavs, driving unfeasibly old Nissan Micra/Peugeot 205, with 6 exhaust pipes, along Pfannenstielstrasse here in Meilen like to break the speed limit by the maximum possible margin.

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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

Hi,

May someone tell me how to know if you are caught by a safety camera? Does it also flash during the daylight? How long after a "photo-session" does the fine actually arrive to your mailbox, roughly speaking?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

I just got a letter from the Service des Automobiles / Navigation in Vaud informing me that they have learned about my speeding offense in Geneva from a couple of months back. I was going 24 over in a 50 zone (I honestly did think it was a 70 zone). I paid the fine and thought that was the end of it.

The letter from the SAN says they're thinking of taking away my licence and asks me if I want to go in to inspect my record or to make written representations. Is there any point in doing this, or are they going to take my licence away for a month whatever I do?

Does Switzerland have a "mr loophole"?
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

It seems to me that there's a defective radar on the highway just before Gland when driving in the direction of Lausanne.

To give you an example, I see it flashing ALL the time. If I drive in the direction of Geneva, I see it flash pretty much every car going in the opposite direction.

If I drive past it to go back home, I also see it flash other cars and myself!

Now, I've tested this by placing the speed limiter on my car to 120 (and remember, vehicles are always downrated anyway), and whilst I can drive from Geneva to Lausanne and back at this constant speed and never get flashed by any other camera, this one however WILL flash me.

What is going on here ? It's been doing this for months, and I've never received a bill, but I think that one day someone will accidentally start sending bills to everyone and then it's game over while we all try to contest them...

Does anyone know if we can complain about the recalibration of this radar to someone? It's driving me nuts and I don't really want to drive past this single radar at 100kph when I clearly am allowed to go up to 20kph faster.
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Hi,

May someone tell me how to know if you are caught by a safety camera? Does it also flash during the daylight? How long after a "photo-session" does the fine actually arrive to your mailbox, roughly speaking?

Thanks in advance!

Yes it still flashes during the day, but you will know you have been flashed . it is very obvious....

Can take a while for it to get there ....
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It seems to me that there's a defective radar on the highway just before Gland when driving in the direction of Lausanne.

To give you an example, I see it flashing ALL the time. If I drive in the direction of Geneva, I see it flash pretty much every car going in the opposite direction.

If I drive past it to go back home, I also see it flash other cars and myself!

Now, I've tested this by placing the speed limiter on my car to 120 (and remember, vehicles are always downrated anyway), and whilst I can drive from Geneva to Lausanne and back at this constant speed and never get flashed by any other camera, this one however WILL flash me.

What is going on here ? It's been doing this for months, and I've never received a bill, but I think that one day someone will accidentally start sending bills to everyone and then it's game over while we all try to contest them...

Does anyone know if we can complain about the recalibration of this radar to someone? It's driving me nuts and I don't really want to drive past this single radar at 100kph when I clearly am allowed to go up to 20kph faster.

It is probably to slow people down. isnt that right before the roadworks. Although I drive daily by there (CRUIS SET AT 125-130) and never seen it flash Ill pay attention to it tonight
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I just got a letter from the Service des Automobiles / Navigation in Vaud informing me that they have learned about my speeding offense in Geneva from a couple of months back. I was going 24 over in a 50 zone (I honestly did think it was a 70 zone). I paid the fine and thought that was the end of it.

The letter from the SAN says they're thinking of taking away my licence and asks me if I want to go in to inspect my record or to make written representations. Is there any point in doing this, or are they going to take my licence away for a month whatever I do?

Does Switzerland have a "mr loophole"?

Mostly the loophole is pay and be done with it and never hear from it again. except in costructrion zone...then its a little tougher...
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Does it also flash during the daylight? How long after a "photo-session" does the fine actually arrive to your mailbox, roughly speaking?
Yes, red, you know you've been caught when you are caught.

2 weeks to 2 months after the event. If "serious" then longer as they mull over what to do with you. Took me about 6 months for all fines to be sent after speeding (80 in a 60) in a different kanton - I got fines and admin from BL as well as BS. Nice...

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The letter from the SAN says they're thinking of taking away my licence and asks me if I want to go in to inspect my record or to make written representations. Is there any point in doing this, or are they going to take my licence away for a month whatever I do?

Does Switzerland have a "mr loophole"?
Not that I know of. I would simply fess up and say you made a mistake. In my case above I didn't bother challenging anything. I too thought I was in an 80 zone (the road I was on swings almost randomly from 50-60-80-50-80-60 etc.).

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Does anyone know if we can complain about the recalibration of this radar to someone? It's driving me nuts and I don't really want to drive past this single radar at 100kph when I clearly am allowed to go up to 20kph faster.
Have you tried contacting the police/vehicle department about it? Seems the obvious first thing to do.
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It is probably to slow people down. isnt that right before the roadworks. Although I drive daily by there (CRUIS SET AT 125-130) and never seen it flash Ill pay attention to it tonight
It seems to flash more consistently at night than at day time. And why would it flash to slow people down? Doesn't make sense, that's kind of like a teacher giving you detention as a preventive measure so that you don't commit something silly in class in the future...

But there are no roadworks here, the radar really is about 1km before the Gland exist, and I can actually set my cars speed limit to 128kph (highest I've dared to go!) and drive the GVA/LSN trip without an issue. But not with this radar...

Since the speed is rated about 2-3% below the actual reading AND the radars remove 5 or 6kph on the highway, I still register at below 120kph... some friends even place theirs on 130kph and never get flashed. Never asked them about this particular radar however...
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