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Old 11.05.2012, 19:14
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Re: Fine for 3 Km/h

Sorry, but if you go over the speed limit then you deserve the fine, speed limits are set for a reason
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Old 11.05.2012, 19:26
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Sorry, but if you go over the speed limit then you deserve the fine, speed limits are set for a reason
...to make money?

Not saying you're wrong for 99% of limits, but *some* speed limit implementations are almost designed to catch speeders, even when there's little statistical data (ie accidents) to prove the limit level or change is warranted.

Edit: blindy quoting this is a bit like claiming all laws are faultless and we should always obey. Often quoted by people who *never* speed - which is a complete lie, of course - *everyone* has sped at one time or another, intentionally or not. And the apocalypse still hasn't occurred. So sometimes it's good to scrutinize and question...

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Old 11.05.2012, 19:31
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Lol, that made me chuckle, it sounds like something I'd do
Tricky one this...I'm tempted to mock my wife for getting flashed...but I'm gonna look pretty stupid if(when???) I get flashed myself...
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...to make money?
no for safety reasons seen to many people injured in hospital from stupid car accidents because of speeding
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no for safety reasons seen to many people injured in hospital from stupid car accidents because of speeding
In the uk 11% of serious accidents were attributed to excess speed (I'll add the link when I find it again). Im pretty sure that stats will be the same here, within a margin. What about the other 89%? Were they in a different ward when you visited the hospital?

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Old data: is actually 3% for 2007: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-reveal.html
For 2011, it's either 5% or 13% depending on how you analyze it: http://www.theclaimsconnection.co.uk...t-claims1.html
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Yeah I just received (in Italy, since my car still has Italian plates) a fine for travelling at 56 Km/h, limit 50, with a tollerance of 3 Km/h, so that makes a "speeding" of 3 Km/h. 33 .
Now cmon, just printing it, shipping to Italy, handling the fine will make the incoming null for them!
And all of that for 3 Km/h! I didn't even realize I was speeding.

Moral of the story: respect the speed limits. Going 3 Km/h higher than the speed limit means that if you brake, you will be 3 Km/h faster at all times during the deceleration phase (assuming constant braking force at all speeds - which is a best-case scenario because usually the braking force is smaller at higher speed). If you were meant to stop just before hitting someone, you would be hitting him/her at 3 Km/h with your vehicle. Imagine hitting someone you love at that speed...not something you want to do, right? So pay up and shut up since you deserved it.
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Old 11.05.2012, 19:55
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Moral of the story: respect the speed limits. Going 3 Km/h higher than the speed limit means that if you brake, you will be 3 Km/h faster at all times during the deceleration phase (assuming constant braking force at all speeds - which is a best-case scenario because usually the braking force is smaller at higher speed). If you were meant to stop just before hitting someone, you would be hitting him/her at 3 Km/h with your vehicle. Imagine hitting someone you love at that speed...not something you want to do, right? So pay up and shut up since you deserved it.
3km/h? You mean...the same speed as slow walking? My 2 year old rode into me with her scooter at at least 6kmh. I'm surprised I wasn't killed...
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In the uk 11% of serious accidents were attributed to excess speed (I'll add the link when I find it again). Im pretty sure that stats will be the same here, within a margin. What about the other 89%? Were they in a different ward when you visited the hospital?

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Old data: is actually 3% for 2007: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-reveal.html
For 2011, it's either 5% or 13% depending on how you analyze it: http://www.theclaimsconnection.co.uk...t-claims1.html
I love how you presume i was a visitor in the hospital lol i worked in the hospital saw for myself what speeding did to victims

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Moral of the story: respect the speed limits. Going 3 Km/h higher than the speed limit means that if you brake, you will be 3 Km/h faster at all times during the deceleration phase (assuming constant braking force at all speeds - which is a best-case scenario because usually the braking force is smaller at higher speed). If you were meant to stop just before hitting someone, you would be hitting him/her at 3 Km/h with your vehicle. Imagine hitting someone you love at that speed...not something you want to do, right? So pay up and shut up since you deserved it.
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Old 11.05.2012, 19:59
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Re: Fine for 3 Km/h

Look - I agree - you should adhere to the limits. But like any law, it should not accepted unconditionally and without question. That makes you sheep.

Limits can be questioned, as can the use of cameras. they can be raised and lowered if enough people push for it. See what happened in the UK with the use of cameras. They're much more appropriately used because some members of the public didn't blindy accept it.
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3km/h? You mean...the same speed as slow walking? My 2 year old rode into me with her scooter at at least 6kmh. I'm surprised I wasn't killed...
You compare a car too a scooter a car going 3 km over at say 50km and a scooter cannot go that fast so no you would not of beenj killed, but at 53 km you could of been
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I love how you presume i was a visitor in the hospital lol i worked in the hospital saw for myself what speeding did to victims
Transparently satire is lost on you. I'll dumb it down a little next time.
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You compare a car too a scooter a car going 3 km over at say 50km and a scooter cannot go that fast so no you would not of beenj killed, but at 53 km you could of been
Lol. Tell you what - go back and read that again, and please - do try to keep up.
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Old 11.05.2012, 20:07
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Lol. Tell you what - go back and read that again, and please - do try to keep up.
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Lol. Tell you what - go back and read that again, and please - do try to keep up.
Dumbass, let me roll over your foot with my car at 3 Km/h. I guarantee that, as you said, you won't die but maybe you won't forget the experience either
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Dont tell me what to do your not my father
Wow..i think I see now the level I'm dealing with.

Ok - I concede - you are 100% correct , beyond reproach and my intellectual superior many times over. I applaude your debating abilities, and can see myself for the utter failure I truly am. I am utterly and completely wrong to question your transparently world class wisdom.

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Dumbass, let me roll over your foot with my car at 3 Km/h. I guarantee that, as you said, you won't die but maybe you won't forget the experience either
Interesting. And how would that show up in the statistics? Is that excess speed? Were you breaking the speed limit at the time?
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Re: Fine for 3 Km/h

I gotten for 53 in a 50 and that wasn't including the usual reduction of 5kmh. My fine was a paltry 20chf, but still. My car is a 2003 with a pretty limited speedometer needle. There is a mark for each ten. 40, 50, 60. How you can keep it at exactly 50 and not go over a few kmh in either direction is beyond me.
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Interesting. And how would that show up in the statistics? Is that excess speed? We're you breaking the speed limit at the time?
In case you haven't realised it yet, that was merely an illustration of what could happen if I failed to come to a complete stop right in front of your foot because I was going at 53 Kmph instead of 50 Kmph when I saw that you were in my way. So yes it's an example of the consequences of excess speed.

Why are you defending overspeeding anyway? I hope you don't ever lose someone because some dumbass didn't respect the rules. If you did, you'd also be pedantic about such things.
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In case you haven't realised it yet, that was merely an illustration of what could happen if I failed to come to a complete stop right in front of your foot because I was going at 53 Kmph instead of 50 Kmph when I saw that you were in my way. So yes it's an example of the consequences of excess speed.

Why are you defending overspeeding anyway? I hope you don't ever lose someone because some dumbass didn't respect the rules. If you did, you'd also be pedantic about such things.
Look - you and Suttie need to go and read my posts again. Seriously. I do NOT claim that exceeding the STATED limit is ok. Jeez, you dumbasses transparently can't read. Did you even read what at said at 20:59???

I DO state that SOME limits are inappropriate, or at best misjudged, and SHOULD be questioned. Enforcing those limits or limit changes with revenue cameras makes them doubly worth enquiry.

I should question you guys - Why do you believe speed is the root of all evil when I've proven that it is a MINOR factor in accidents??? You want to see less RTA's in hospital? GET PEOPLE TO DRIVE BETTER FIRST before worrying if they were 1km over the limit or not. Unless you can prove to me that speed is the MAJORITY cause of accidents...?
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Re: Fine for 3 Km/h

In a former life I was a Parish Councillor. After residents' concerns over speeding through the village, the local coppers set up a speed camera, to record the average speed through the village and report back to the Parish Council.

The results reported at the next meeting was an average speed through the village of 3 miles per hour.

Additional information subsequently revealed one of the farmers had been hedge cutting with his tractor over the week in question.

We have a lot of hedges in England.
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