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Old 25.06.2012, 17:39
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I guess if you are officially resident in Belgium, and officially not resident in Switzerland, then there´s nothing much the Swiss authorities can do against this, no matter how short the timespan you "officially" went to Belgium.

However, the overall hassle might actually be quite big.

I´m happy we just fell into this category without actually planning it, and having really been resident accordingly.
(my bolding).
Look, all these Del Boy-ish schemes sound great but don't necessarily work.

Never mind that as a citizen of India, to register in Belgium OP would require a residence permit.
And would have to give up the Swiss permit.
And re-apply for a new Swiss permit on the way back (good luck with the quotas!).
And still convince the Belgian and Swiss authorities that (s)he was a Belgian resident for at least six months (that being the requirement for an EU license to be accepted in a country where the holder isn't resident, as all those who lost their license in Germany for DUI, and who then "sat" a driving test in the Czech Republic after a 3 day course found out when the German police nabbed them for "driving without a license".)
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Old 25.06.2012, 17:42
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Re: Failed My driving Test... What next

Is there any process where I can complain to reconsider my case as I feel that my case was not judge properly?
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Old 25.06.2012, 17:47
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Is there any process where I can complain to reconsider my case as I feel that my case was not judge properly?
You'll probably receive and official letter indicating you failed the exam and the time frame you have to appeal, although I don't know the chances you have to succeed.
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Is there any process where I can complain to reconsider my case as I feel that my case was not judge properly?
You can appeal, but if you were going 45 in a 60 zone without there being a good reason to do so, that's a fail. And if you lose the appeal, you have to pay costs (CHF 1'600 on average, according to the above website). That money's better spent towards the cost of your driving lessons.
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Old 25.06.2012, 17:49
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Can somebody provide me a link to start from scratch?
Contact same person who charged you 1500 CHF. Get information from him.
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(my bolding).
Look, all these Del Boy-ish schemes sound great but don't necessarily work.

Never mind that as a citizen of India, to register in Belgium OP would require a residence permit.
And would have to give up the Swiss permit.
And re-apply for a new Swiss permit on the way back (good luck with the quotas!).
I would only consider this, if I was married to an EU-citizen. EU citizens and their family members (still) have the right to return.


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And still convince the Belgian and Swiss authorities that (s)he was a Belgian resident for at least six months (that being the requirement for an EU license to be accepted in a country where the holder isn't resident, as all those who lost their license in Germany for DUI, and who then "sat" a driving test in the Czech Republic after a 3 day course found out when the German police nabbed them for "driving without a license".)
Not usually 6 months. That´s only if you were officially barred from driving in one country.

In "normal" residence cases without having been barred, you can do your driving license today, and move tomorrow. Everything else would hamper the freedom of movement.
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Re: Failed My driving Test... What next

If you live in or near Zurich, why would you want a driving licence?
There probably isn't a place on Earth that has better public transport.
Sell your car, stop paying car insurance, parking fees etc and get a life.
Or is driving a car some kind of status thing for you?
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Old 25.06.2012, 18:01
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If you live in or near Zurich, why would you want a driving licence?
There probably isn't a place on Earth that has better public transport.
Sell your car, stop paying car insurance, parking fees etc and get a life.
Or is driving a car some kind of status thing for you?
Pssst, don't tell this guys, they would get really pissed off.
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If you live in or near Zurich, why would you want a driving licence?
There probably isn't a place on Earth that has better public transport.
Sell your car, stop paying car insurance, parking fees etc and get a life.
Or is driving a car some kind of status thing for you?
Isn´t that a bit general?

I´m a happy GA-user. I don´t have a car, and I don´t want one. But I like to jump into mobility cars to accasionally move items around, and generally to be more flexible.

Also I´m finding it very handy to drive cars during holidays, and sometimes the job requires driving.

I don´t see, thus, what a driving license has to do with an own car?!

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Old 25.06.2012, 18:05
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Re: Failed My driving Test... What next

Don't appeal, you will never win, the decision is final, the first documents you received it was outlined that you had only one and one only chance to convert your license, failing that will result with your license being not valid in CH.

1600 CHF is A LOT of money for preparation for the course control, usually people take 1-2 classes and pay 100-150/200 CHF tops and pass it, I took it got 6 classes payed 600 CHF for the preparation and passed it. I had previosly a lot of issues with SAN (don't know the german name) so I couldn't let anything by chance.

You should ask your instructor how after 1600 CHF spent he didn't get you ready to pass the test, for that kind of money you would have gotten the new license.

Sorry if it sounds harsh but you really are in a check-mate position.
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Old 25.06.2012, 18:08
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Re: Failed My driving Test... What next

From a post on EF in 2007:

3-wheeler - must be a mid-life crisis



I did see one the other day in Zurich which looked quite cool... I guess they are allowed and you simply need a motorcycle license?

Try this place for more information (unfortunately in German)... http://www.trike.ch/

Personally I would go for one like below... I have had too many bad experiences in the Indian Bajaj... Amazing what they can do with 8BHP over there!!


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Old 26.06.2012, 13:08
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I know my driving is not bad and I was failed just becuse I was driving at a speed of 45 in zone 60 for some time.
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Sounds strange.
Does it? I think driving at such a large amount under the limit, and therefore under the speed that most other vehicles would be going and expecting others to be at, would be called out as lacking in confidence, or indeed competence, in most countries' driving tests. Whether it would actually be judged as dangerous would depend on circumstances, but it certainly could be in some places.
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Whether it would actually be judged as dangerous would depend on circumstances, but it certainly could be in some places.
If it is dangerous OK understandible, I'm with you. However, 60 km/h is the maximum speed in this case, not the minimum,

and a starting car accelerating from 0 to 60 by its nature has to pass the 45 mark (so it cannot be forbidden to be at that speed).

What is not clear is why the OP kept on going at that low speed, and why the hell the tester didn't tell him/her to go faster (or even accelerate by himself)? Maybe the OP doesn't speak German (which would not be such a good idea at ZH)?
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why the hell the tester didn't tell him/her to go faster (or even accelerate by himself)?
Hmmmm... I don't know.
Maybe because it was a driving test and telling the candidate how to drive sort of defeats the point?
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Hmmmm... I don't know.
Maybe because it was a driving test and telling the candidate how to drive sort of defeats the point?
It wasn't a driving test, but a conversion test (that's why the OP cannot repeat it). Much more flexible and far easier than a driving license-test, as it aims to find out if the driving abilities cope with Swiss traffic reality.
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Re: Failed My driving Test... What next

Hey Udayan,

I've been there, so I feel your pain (and humiliation). Here's what you need to do after you have completed licking your wounds.

Step 1: Complete a 2 day first aid course (say goodbye to one weekend)
Step 2: Complete Learners License (buy the Fahschule CD, learn the 500 odd questions and pass). 99% of all the questions are in this CD.
Step 3: Start driving lessons again (they test different things in the control test vs the actual test)
Step 4: Complete another verkehrs-Kunden course (4X2 hours) - you can do it at nights via your driving school
Step 5: Once Verhehrs-Kunden course is done, you can do your drivers test. Pass drivers test
Step 6: Receive licence (valid for 3 years)
Step 7: Complete another 2 compulsory courses called the MAB courses.

All in all, it will set you back 2,500-3,500 Chfs, but with hindsight, I am glad I failed the control test as there are so many subtle rules you are not aware of.

All the best!
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Old 26.06.2012, 15:11
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Oops - my "plan B" doesn´t work for you, sorry.

In case someone else has a similar scenario: It´s sort-of easy to change *many* licences into a Belgian one. All you need is a Belgian residence, your old driving license, a handful of EURs (16 when I checked last) and two passport pictures.

In practice, register your address in the Commune where you have Belgian friends, swap your driving license into a Belgian one, once you have it you can de-register again. Should be a matter of a month or less...

You can then happily swap the Belgian license into a Swiss one, w/o any tests.

I just happen to know, because my wife (holding an "exotic" license before) lived with me in Belgium before we moved to Switzerland. We (highly officially) swapped it into a Belgian one, and thought it´s the same all over Europe. Later we saw the problems people of her nationality have in the same scenario in Switzerland...

Hence not sure if it´s possible to go this route, but with a bit of bureaucratical imagination I wouldn´t say it´s not...
It may be 'sort of easy' to change a licence into a Belgian one but it's not quite so easy to become a Belgian resident.
Whilst you don't have to go through all the permit applications as you do for Switzerland you can't simply turn up there and declare that you want to become resident. (especially if you're from more 'exotic' locations)
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Re: Failed My driving Test... What next

Add the 1500 already spent = 4,000-5,000 ... with every possibility of failing again.


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All in all, it will set you back 2,500-3,500 Chfs, but with hindsight, I am glad I failed the control test as there are so many subtle rules you are not aware of.

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It may be 'sort of easy' to change a licence into a Belgian one but it's not quite so easy to become a Belgian resident.
Whilst you don't have to go through all the permit applications as you do for Switzerland you can't simply turn up there and declare that you want to become resident. (especially if you're from more 'exotic' locations)
It´s easy if you are an EU citizen OR married to an EU citizen.

Obviously you need a real address. The house of friends should do.

You are obliged to register your presence, if you are planning to stay for more than three months!

So you could want to do an internship somewhere, for say 4 months but, helaas, after 2 weeks you find out the job is not for you.

Totally legal, and the registration was even required!
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It´s easy if you are an EU citizen OR married to an EU citizen.

Obviously you need a real address. The house of friends should do.

You are obliged to register your presence, if you are planning to stay for more than three months!

So you could want to do an internship somewhere, for say 4 months but, helaas, after 2 weeks you find out the job is not for you.

Totally legal, and the registration was even required!
Why do you feel the need to keep repeating the same message when it's clearly not a solution and clearly going to lead to problems for the OP.

The conversion test was failed because the OP did not drive at a speed appropriate for the conditions - i.e. near or at the posted speed limit.

OP - your options are clear. I would seek recourse with your driving instructor who has clearly let you down. Or seek a new one who is able to get you through the process.
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