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Re: MB R-Class / Volvo XC90 / MB M-Class / Land Rover Discovery 4 [Family Car Questio

XC90 is offering a great deal for the moment on service and warranty but mind you, a new model is coming out soon (early 2013 if I am not mistaken).
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Ford Mondeo estate, which I'm assured is a great car (but I couldn't do it myself)
Its funny that, there are a lot of cars I can admire from afar, but would never own e.g. Citroen C5, Alfa 159 Sportwagon, Jaguar XF Sportbrake etc..
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Old 03.08.2012, 15:25
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Re: MB R-Class / Volvo XC90 / MB M-Class / Land Rover Discovery 4 [Family Car Questio

No I think you're confusing me, I don't have an XC although I do know countless people that do, I had an ML. I do see gatherings that look like a Volvo forecourt and all of them seem to get there and leave again without any issue.

My next door neighbour's XC has only had one problem in it's life and that is when she put petrol in the D5 block!

The diesel is very good as long as you don't have the sports pack, it looks good but wrecks the ride. To me it's just a good family workhorse.... Seating configuration is good and controls are where you want them. Good capable machine.

Ive never driven one of the new high pressure turbo T6 types but it might be a bit of fun too ?
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Old 03.08.2012, 15:27
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True it was a good car, shame really. The engine was indeed done under warranty it still gave an issue when I came to sell it tho, the Swiss don't seem to like things that have had parts replaced

I guess it also is important to know what age of vehicle the OP is looking at; if the klics and years are getting up a bit it might change the answer.
Should have specified this in OP: I am looking to buy a 2010+ year car with good service history (leaning towards a dealership purchase). That being said, wish to keep it <30k in pricing. Following advice from previous posts, I see that certain VW Touran (including Cross versions) models average in the 12-15k range which is spectacular. I can practically buy one of these, drive it for a few years with the rest of the cash in the bank, then just buy another one. The big question mark here though is - how comfortable is the ride of these things? I have in the past had the poor judgement to rent a MB B-Class for a trip from Copenhague to Geneva and regretted it for months. My back was killing me, wife's complaining was never-ending and the kids threw-up a few times along the way. The Touran does not seem like a small car per se but am sure it is sharing wheelbase with either the Golf or the Passat, so curious how it will drive. Anyone own one or drove one for a long cruise (500+km)?

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For me it would be a toss up between a BMW 5 series touring and an Audi A6 estate. We're actually in the same boat as the OP, in that we've outgrown our Alfa Giulietta but still want something fairly fun, sporty and car like.
The best of all worlds would be a AMG E55 estate or an RS6, one would think. Personally, I would like to pick the best tool for the job. In this case, family comfort and features come above all else. If I need my adrenaline shots, I'd rather have those served clean. Family car for the family is all I need right now.
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RAV4 is nice, I agree. Need to check prices against those listed.
You say your budget is around 30k, for that money you can get well used M class and similar, but on the other hand you can get BRAND NEW rav4

http://www.autoscout24.ch/Search/Det...3&vehid=948776

It doesn't have the comfort ride of M class but it's very quiet and nice (only complain for me is the seat when you sit more than 5-6 hours, but it could be my back), probably the best reliability factor and it will cost you the least of all the other options from what you are taking into consideration.

It is very comfortable for 5, lots of room, the cargo is not that big but it's practical, economic, 160 hp, engine needs a bit of revving when going uphill but it manages very well.

I was in the same position as you and went for the RAV4, but my priorities were 1. Maintance cost 2. Comfort
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Re: MB R-Class / Volvo XC90 / MB M-Class / Land Rover Discovery 4 [Family Car Questio

my sister had a Touran, nice ride but don't get a small petrol engine without turbo or supercharger....
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Re: MB R-Class / Volvo XC90 / MB M-Class / Land Rover Discovery 4 [Family Car Questio

I LOVE BIG CARS.
VW Toureg (the Cayene doppelganger) but for some reason these were priced higher than the four on the short list for similar KM and years on the clock. OR PORSCHE
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In your position I'd be looking for a large estate car, not a wannabee off-roader such as you list above. Sure, some of the above give a little more interior height than their road-based cousins, but in nearly all cases the usable, i.e. flat, load space is greater in a normal-height estate car.

So I'd be looking at Audi A6, rather than Q7, at Volvo V70 (or possibly XC70 if you like the image) rather than XC90, and so on. Ride quality is nearly always going to be much better in the lower cars and accessibility, e.g. lifting a stroller into the load area, will be much easier.

They'll also generally be cheaper to buy and more economical to run than the SUV versions, which may be a factor too. Other cars you might consider would include the VW Passat, BMW 5-series tourer, or even the Ford Mondeo estate, which I'm assured is a great car (but I couldn't do it myself).

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You pitch some solid arguments there, Ace1. The sole reason I am not rushing to an E-Class estate is the Mrs: she likes her rides high. Every time I have driven one of the diesel E-class estates on the long road, I have enjoyed it immensely. Which reminds me - the Mrs has not tried one of those. Note to self: test E-class with Mrs Thank you.

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XC90 is offering a great deal for the moment on service and warranty but mind you, a new model is coming out soon (early 2013 if I am not mistaken).
All the more reasons to look at one of those - when the new model is out, prices on the old one will fall a little more

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No I think you're confusing me, I don't have an XC although I do know countless people that do, I had an ML. I do see gatherings that look like a Volvo forecourt and all of them seem to get there and leave again without any issue.

My next door neighbour's XC has only had one problem in it's life and that is when she put petrol in the D5 block!

The diesel is very good as long as you don't have the sports pack, it looks good but wrecks the ride. To me it's just a good family workhorse.... Seating configuration is good and controls are where you want them. Good capable machine.

Ive never driven one of the new high pressure turbo T6 types but it might be a bit of fun too ?
Looks like the XC90 is ticking all the boxes. Reliable machine, family workhorse. Just what one needs.

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You say your budget is around 30k, for that money you can get well used M class and similar, but on the other hand you can get BRAND NEW rav4

http://www.autoscout24.ch/Search/Det...3&vehid=948776

It doesn't have the comfort ride of M class but it's very quiet and nice (only complain for me is the seat when you sit more than 5-6 hours, but it could be my back), probably the best reliability factor and it will cost you the least of all the other options from what you are taking into consideration.

It is very comfortable for 5, lots of room, the cargo is not that big but it's practical, economic, 160 hp, engine needs a bit of revving when going uphill but it manages very well.

I was in the same position as you and went for the RAV4, but my priorities were 1. Maintance cost 2. Comfort
Solid arguments as well. Need to book me a test drive.
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The big question mark here though is - how comfortable is the ride of these things? I have in the past had the poor judgement to rent a MB B-Class for a trip from Copenhague to Geneva and regretted it for months.
A Touran is much better than a B-Class. I had a Touran as a rental car and a B-Class as a replacement car when my E-Class estate (highly recommendable!) was in the garage. B-Class is just awful. However, a Touran is far a away from being as comfortable as an R-Class. I would also never go for an XC90 because of its comparably poor manoeuvrability (due to it being the only larger SUV with transverse engine).
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Re: MB R-Class / Volvo XC90 / MB M-Class / Land Rover Discovery 4 [Family Car Questio

Hyundai Santa Fe's also a good option. features and spec of the classier rivals but not so much the price.
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A Touran is much better than a B-Class. I had a Touran as a rental car and a B-Class as a replacement car when my E-Class estate (highly recommendable!) was in the garage. B-Class is just awful. However, a Touran is far a away from being as comfortable as an R-Class. I would also never go for an XC90 because of its comparably poor manoeuvrability (due to it being the only larger SUV with transverse engine).
Another MB fan, I see... If you were to pick between the R and E class estate, which way would you go?

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Hyundai Santa Fe's also a good option. features and spec of the classier rivals but not so much the price.
As tempting as the new tigers are, they are yet to be proven. Let's just say they do not age well, compared to a Mercedes IMHO. Toyota/Lexus may be the only one (again, IMHO) which is built to last.
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Another MB fan, I see... If you were to pick between the R and E class estate, which way would you go?
Actually, I'm more of an Audi quattro guy, but I don't like the interior of the previous A6 and got a good offer for a 3 year old MB (S211, I would prefer the looks of a current A6 over a current E-class). Anyways, R-Class is more spacey, less sporty, more American (automatic only, lots of cup holders), a bit ugly from the outside and not so popular, hence could be a bargain per se, but still more expensive than an E-Class. If you don't need the extra space, I would go for an E-Class.
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Re: MB R-Class / Volvo XC90 / MB M-Class / Land Rover Discovery 4 [Family Car Questio

You say you have back issues and you Mrs. loves high ride cars. Avoid the E class. Just try to sit in one, you will feel like you have your behind on the tarmac. It's VERY low. It's not for you.

*I had a '98 E class, haven't tried the new one but I doubt it's much different on this
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First step to redemption is admitting one's sins. I LOVE BIG CARS. There, I said it. Although, I did post in OP that large wheelbase and comfortable ride come on top of the priority list, didn't I?
In that case the Disco.

The Volvo is a bit "meh" - everyone has got one.

The Disco is a little different and although my two had a couple of quibles, they were reliable and the ride was comfort in extremis.

Another + in the Disco's favour vs. the XC90 based on the comment above re petrol in diesel engine, is that when I put petrol in mine (), note: full empty tank () , and then drove it for about 2 km () it cost all of 750 CHF to repair by lunchtime the next day. And that included 150 CHF of diesel put in by the garage that did the repaird - clearly they didn't trust me, LOL!

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Re: MB R-Class / Volvo XC90 / MB M-Class / Land Rover Discovery 4 [Family Car Questio

Estates:

E class is a good motor, downside for me is the new ones look like a funeral car. AMG is raw and fun but not what you're after.

BMW 5 is a very good car but the last one I had for a while fell out of favour, the idrive drove me nuts, not the best looker also. Once again M5 estate awesome bit of kit.

Audi 6s beatifully made and smooth, MMI is very good and intuative unlike idrive. RS6.... The daddy with only one, perhaps two problems a little heavy and buttock clenching with so much momentum chasing you and actually too much power really. As Clarkson said absolute power corrupts and you'll put your foot down to over take a truck and the next thing you know you'll be invading Poland.
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In SUVs, the latest Cayenne and Q7 (although long in the tooth) rule above the fray, simply because of fit and finish. You should take a look first, just to see what you are missing. If you don't notice the difference with, say, a BMW 5/X5, then you're good to look at other brands because you are definitely not a fit & finish junkie.

I do agree with the points made several times here: wagons are a far better buy in Switzerland than full size SUVs, and a bad back would not convince me otherwise because the seats are too high in SUVs for comfortable ingress/egress. Same for cargo floors.
If wagons are too low, go cross-over (Audi A6 Allroard, Volvo XC70, don't go SUV). Still in cross-overs, R-Class is a good pick if you can stand the esthetics, residuals must be amazingly poor.
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What's the prize if you choose from the EF shortlist..?



My wild card proposal is the XC60.

Someone in our patch has one and it has good presence beside the touareg, evoque, and ML it's parked next to.

Except for the alloys, which look a bit tragic.
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Here's a real wild card for you. Get a Nissan Qashqai. You can get a brand new Acenta model, 1.6 16V, 117 ch, manual gear box for CHF 31,050. Will be better specced than some of the others mentioned and with trade-in and discount on offer (at least at our local agency in Matran) it'll be even cheaper. We've had a Tekna model for the last 5 years, done over 120,000k and still going strong. Easy and comfortable to drive, both around town and on long journeys (we drive back to UK for our visits), good fuel consumption figures and, of course, very reliable.
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2) If you could add a wild card to the list - which one is it? [no French cars, please]
hmm Ok how about a Renault or a Peugeot 3008?
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My wildcard is the Mazda CX-5, an unremarkable looking car which is never-the-less winning rave reviews, including from the notoriously fussy Top Gear team.



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