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Old 03.08.2012, 23:03
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Re: MB R-Class / Volvo XC90 / MB M-Class / Land Rover Discovery 4 [Family Car Questio

We have an XC90 for the last 2+ years, the wife drives it most of the time and has no problem parking it in Geneva despite what people have you believe.

It is nothing to write home about from a man's perspective but as a family car and load lugger which has great comfort it is hard to beat.

Very happy with our 2010 model, never had Volvo before, I am a big Audi fan but have to say we bought really well.
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My wildcard is the Mazda CX-5, an unremarkable looking car which is never-the-less winning rave reviews, including from the notoriously fussy Top Gear team.



This may very well turn out to be the silver bullet. All reviews so far are top notch.
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Old 04.08.2012, 08:57
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My wildcard is the Mazda CX-5, an unremarkable looking car which is never-the-less winning rave reviews, including from the notoriously fussy Top Gear team.
This may very well turn out to be the silver bullet. All reviews so far are top notch.
Not driven the CX-5, but it's the smaller brother of the CX-7, so may share some of its characteristics. Tested one of those and loved its drive, its position, its power... but hated the drivers seat. I mean, it was absolute fskin agony (for me, with my completely nadgered back) after about half an hour, one of the worst I tried. Seems like it's designed for short people with very curved backs.

So it may fall down flat on the comfort front, also in terms of its ride, which is on the firm side of sporty, which I liked, but you don't seem to.

Of course, they may have completely different seats, but these things tend to be shared across a given manufacturer.
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Re: MB R-Class / Volvo XC90 / MB M-Class / Land Rover Discovery 4 [Family Car Questio

We have a Volvo sedan and found it more than enough space with 2 kids. We get 3 car seats in the back and can fit our skis with one seat folded down.

Buying a smaller stroller, a pop-up travel cot and taking less stuff on holidays meant we didn't need to upsize our car when the kids needed all the baby paraphernalia.
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Re: MB R-Class / Volvo XC90 / MB M-Class / Land Rover Discovery 4 [Family Car Questio

How old and tall are your passengers?

Although I would have loved to stay with a smaller car, we opted for a ML, only for the BACK SEAT SPACE....to accommodate long legged sons....It is shocking how little space is left for back seats, even in the larger SUVs. My Volvo dealer was sad to lose me, as a customer...
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How old and tall are your passengers?

Although I would have loved to stay with a smaller car, we opted for a ML, only for the BACK SEAT SPACE....to accommodate long legged sons....It is shocking how little space is left for back seats, even in the larger SUVs. My Volvo dealer was sad to lose me, as a customer...
Also consider the height of the driver as a tall driver might leave not much room in the backseat. Everyone else in my family are 1.78m + exept me who always got stuck in the backseat.
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Also consider the height of the driver as a tall driver might leave not much room in the backseat. Everyone else in my family are 1.78m + exept me who always got stuck in the backseat.
Qashqai is good for that. It's one thing my husband always checks for is legroom in the back of the car and he's also around 1.78m high.

Did a test drive on the CX-5 a few weeks ago and while it had some interesting features, it wasn't enough to win us away from the Qashqai. Plus my husband found the rear seat catch was broken when he tried to put it back upright after lowering it. It didn't seem to be as well built as the Qashqai either.
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Old 04.08.2012, 16:04
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Re: MB R-Class / Volvo XC90 / MB M-Class / Land Rover Discovery 4 [Family Car Questio

Very very valuable first-hand input, all of it. I am *very* reserved towards Nissan since Renault got involved. The sole thing which remains Japan built and in line with the legendary quality is the GT-R but much to my regret it doesn't seat five and doesn't have diesel version
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Renault provide the engines I believe, but rest is Nissan and British Nissan at that. Built in Sunderland with Japanese work ethics behind it all so quality is excellent. Yeah, I know that sounds odd when you think of cars like Rover, but Nissan have really got their workforce behind them and the Sunderland factory has been a model for most of the other UK manufacturers to follow.

As usual, only you can decide, but there's no harm in taking a Qashqai or any of the others suggested for a test drive to see what you think. Despite peoples', Top Gear's, etc, etc, opinions car ownership is very subjective and what one person thinks is great is another person's driving disaster.
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Old 05.08.2012, 10:35
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Re: MB R-Class / Volvo XC90 / MB M-Class / Land Rover Discovery 4 [Family Car Questio

There is a new Prius in town - the 2012 Prius+ http://fr.toyota.ch/cars/new_cars/prius-plus/index.tmex

Wondering if anyone has already taken a testdrive of this one?
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Re: MB R-Class / Volvo XC90 / MB M-Class / Land Rover Discovery 4 [Family Car Questio

Please don't be fooled by the hyrbid green nonsense. A 1.6 Qashqai's emissions are equal or better than a Prius and there's more pollution put out to make the "green" batteries than you get from petrol/diesel engines. Plus it's nearly CHF14,000+ more than the Acenta Qashqai for a new one.
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There is a new Prius in town - the 2012 Prius+ http://fr.toyota.ch/cars/new_cars/prius-plus/index.tmex

Wondering if anyone has already taken a testdrive of this one?
Nope and never will its a prius...
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Renault provide the engines I believe, but rest is Nissan and British Nissan at that. Built in Sunderland with Japanese work ethics behind it all so quality is excellent. Yeah, I know that sounds odd when you think of cars like Rover, but Nissan have really got their workforce behind them and the Sunderland factory has been a model for most of the other UK manufacturers to follow.

As usual, only you can decide, but there's no harm in taking a Qashqai or any of the others suggested for a test drive to see what you think. Despite peoples', Top Gear's, etc, etc, opinions car ownership is very subjective and what one person thinks is great is another person's driving disaster.
Designed in Japan, built in England with French technology. That is about the worst possible combination
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Please don't be fooled by the hyrbid green nonsense. A 1.6 Qashqai's emissions are equal or better than a Prius and there's more pollution put out to make the "green" batteries than you get from petrol/diesel engines. Plus it's nearly CHF14,000+ more than the Acenta Qashqai for a new one.
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Nope and never will its a prius...
I would like to think that I am not easily fooled; needless to say, if there was a pure diesel (no hybrid crap) version, it would be ideal but... There is one US-only model called Sequoya which in my eyes outclasses all European MPV but importing one would be a PITA and am also guessing that servicing one would equal months on end in the garage awaiting spare parts. The Rav4 is small to my liking, the Land Cruiser is brutishly big on the outside. Ignore this last whine, it is just I like Toyota a lot and was very hopeful to land me a MB or Toyota machine. Not that a Disco 4 or a big estate car would be a bad thing.

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Designed in Japan, built in England with French technology. That is about the worst possible combination
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Re: MB R-Class / Volvo XC90 / MB M-Class / Land Rover Discovery 4 [Family Car Questio

Why bother with a US import. As you say hassle bringing them over and servicing, plus they are nowhere near as good for extras/goodies. We went and had a look at a Rogue, the Qashqai's US version, when we were on holiday in 2007 and it didn't even meet the basic specs package for an Acenta model over here.
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Did a test drive on the CX-5 a few weeks ago and while it had some interesting features, it wasn't enough to win us away from the Qashqai. Plus my husband found the rear seat catch was broken when he tried to put it back upright after lowering it. It didn't seem to be as well built as the Qashqai either.
Comparing like for like (top of the range, AWD automatic, diesel for each model), the CX-5 is streets ahead of the Nissan. More torque, faster 0-60, >10mpg better fuel economy, lower emissions, etc.. all thanks to their new Skyactiv technology. In terms of build quality, only time will tell since its an all new, 1st generation car. However reviewers have been praising the fit 'n' finish, use of premium materials and the good sound insulation.

I might have actually convinced myself to take one for a test drive (even though I hate SUVs )
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Maybe, but how does it compare with the 1.6 Acenta which is in the OP's price range? He's only looking to spend around CHF30,000 which seems to put the CX-5 out of contention.
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Re: MB R-Class / Volvo XC90 / MB M-Class / Land Rover Discovery 4 [Family Car Questio

consider a Land Cruiser

http://www.toyota.com/landcruiser/vehicle-tour.html
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Comparing like for like (top of the range, AWD automatic, diesel for each model), the CX-5 is streets ahead of the Nissan. More torque, faster 0-60, >10mpg better fuel economy, lower emissions, etc.. all thanks to their new Skyactiv technology. In terms of build quality, only time will tell since its an all new, 1st generation car. However reviewers have been praising the fit 'n' finish, use of premium materials and the good sound insulation.

I might have actually convinced myself to take one for a test drive (even though I hate SUVs )
Seeing innovation of this kind/level is very attractive; I have a test drive of this one on my to-do list. Fingers crossed the seats/comfort are not the nightmare someone described earlier in the thread.

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Why bother with a US import. As you say hassle bringing them over and servicing, plus they are nowhere near as good for extras/goodies. We went and had a look at a Rogue, the Qashqai's US version, when we were on holiday in 2007 and it didn't even meet the basic specs package for an Acenta model over here.
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Maybe, but how does it compare with the 1.6 Acenta which is in the OP's price range? He's only looking to spend around CHF30,000 which seems to put the CX-5 out of contention.
I have for so long postponed the purchase of a family car that a 10-15% difference in price is the last thing that will stop me from buying a better one. The Disco4 in HSE spec do systematically fetch higher than 30k pre-owned for 2010/2011 models. Sparing a few thousand to meet budget only to suffer it on a daily basis for years after this is plain stupid in my books.

Just 4 posts above yours, I noted "the Land Cruiser is brutishly big on the outside" - although I love it inside and out, the perv "green" French/Swiss see it as a key magnet. These pricks just love to give a bumper-to-bumper scratch with their keys to anything they consider fuel inefficient. Those who follow Top Gear know full well that the pseudo-green-favorite Prius eats far more fuel than a BMW M3. What I am trying to say is - why buy a great car only so the imbecile can have a field day. Like it or not, this is a factor when one picks a car in Romandie...
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Seeing innovation of this kind/level is very attractive; I have a test drive of this one on my to-do list. Fingers crossed the seats/comfort are not the nightmare someone described earlier in the thread.
If you plan to pay cash, there are bargains to be had across the border. This dealer specialises in Swiss exports, and even with all the import charges you should still see at least CHF 10,000 off the new price for a TOTR model with leather, nav, sport pack etc...
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