Hi all,

I'm just looking for a bit of advice regarding the little grey A6 sized paper vehicle registration document that the owner of a motor vehicle here in CH should have.

Somehow in the last 3 weeks, I've managed to loose it. I've searched high and low and it's vanished into the paper-sucking black hole that seems to attract all those dastardly important documents, then spits them back out once the problem's resolved.

Has anyone any experience in loosing theirs and therefore obtaining a replacement? I'm assuming (maybe a stupid idea) that it would be issued by the Strassenverkehrsamt here in Zug?

Any advice greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Alex.

Grey card ( Fahrzeugausweis ) misplaced

For Canton Zug, this might be the page in German.

I easily got a replacement in Bern, it cost Fr 40,-- at the Vekehrsamt.

And, as you say, a few weeks later I found it again. The problem is you can be fined on the spot at least Sfr 20
for not carrying it with you. I offered a policeman a photocopy once, he gave me a long lecture, but I wasn't fined.

Nichtmitführen des Fahrzeugausweises (Art. 10 Abs. 4 SVG) Fr 20,-- http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/741_031/app1.html#ahref0

What a timely post. i just lost mine too. Probably a car mechanic stole it to spite me.

Thanks all. Seems it might not be as bad as I thought.

Exactly the same here in Neuchatel. OH paid 40chf for replacement and promptly fdound the original.

As it should always be in the car - mine's in the handbook pouch in the glovebox - you must be doing something wrong to lose it in the first place.

Mine was a motor scooter. I made a photocopy and hid the original at home.

I was going to add, that the only possible exception might be for 2-wheelers, as they tend not to be kept with the vehicle, but carried loose.

Ours was during the move when the movers had hidden it in the sun visor whilst transporting the car from Belgium. Amazingly none of them could remember where they'd put it and we only found it several weeks later when it happened to be sunny by which time we'd already got the new one.

CHF 30 here.

And if you do find the original, you are required to return the copy.

Tom

I do that with my wife's and daughter's bikes.

Tom

That advice is all well and good, until someone steals the car. Then the thief not only has the car, but the legal paperwork too.

Having been a member of the "Thin Blue Line" in the UK, I know this can and does happen (rare, granted) and then the genuine owner ends up in a real mess trying to prove ownership.

So, not doing "something wrong" as you phrased it, just taking a somewhat logical approach to not leaving legal paperwork in a car.

There is an easy and legal way around that here.

Get an official copy, and keep that in the car, and the original (which is officially 'misplaced') somewhere safe. Should the car get stolen, 'find' the original which will invalidate the copy.

Tom

i remember a story about a year ago where someone was selling a car, posible buyer took car for a test drive, went to the the STVA and registered it in his name and then never went back to the actual owner..... all possible because the reg paper was in the car.

real owner had a long long time to get the car back.

its a 20chf fine if you dont have the paperwork with you, last i saw

I might be missing something here, but if a stranger and prospective buyer is test driving the car, I would just remove all documentation, before they drove off - although I would probably be in the passenger seat during any test drive of something I owned.

Thinking is a powerful tool.

The official copy is a gray card like the original, it has just a tiny remark on it that is a replacement copy.

There is an other way around it. you can put an remark (Ziffer 178) on the gray paper which prevents an owner(*) change w/o additional paperwork and signatures.

(*) Owner is actually not the right word, it should be keeper. Because the gray card does not define the ownership.

Yes, but should both exist, the copy is not considered valid.

Tom

true, my mistake, legal owner and registered keeper are obviously 2 very different things and something that often gets muddled.