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driving from bellegarde sur valserine in jan, advise please regarding safety?

Hi all,

OK you may read this and guffaw with dismay, but I'm just about to move to Switzerland and so have no idea about this! ;-)

I need advice on the safety of driving across from bellegarde-sur-valserine on the E62/E21 towards Geneva in mid Jan. Does it often get snowy, or dangerous to drive across that stretch at that time of year? How well maintained is the motorway in terms of gritting against snow/ice?

My family will be driving our old campervan across this route from France in mid Jan, with kids, cats and all in tow as we move to Switzerland. This is a very ancient vehicle, with no ABS, and it stears like a two ton delinquant. So wondering if we're possibly insane to be attempting this journey!?

thanks for any advice....
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Re: driving from bellegarde sur valserine in jan, advise please regarding safety?

It will depend on the weather of course. I can only relate my own experience when there was a very bad storm in early Jan of 2009 or 2010, I can't remember exactly. Usually when we drive back from the UK we cut across the Jura mountains, but with the weather being bad from Reims we continued down the motorways to Geneva and then across to Fribourg. The French were trojans working very hard to keep things running, all lorries were ordered off the motorways and we passed kilometres of them on the hard shoulder and in the rest areas. Snowploughs were out in all 3 lanes keeping the motorways clear, BUT it was still a miserable journey with constant snow and wind.

I can only suggest keeping an eye on the forecast and if it looks like it's going to be bad weather then delay your trip or find somewhere to stop overnight. You may be lucky and it will be sunny when you do your trip, but it is not worth the risk of trying to do such a journey in bad weather. Time your journey so you're driving in the warmest part of the day if you can.

And if possible fit your vehicle with winter tyres before you leave. They do make a difference.
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It is a safe road with a feel of an auto route/bahn. Just stay in the slow lane. Max speed limit is 110 if its rainy.
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It is a safe road with a feel of an auto route/bahn. Just stay in the slow lane. Max speed limit is 110 if its rainy.
"feel of an auto route/bahn"?? Lol, the road is actually a motorway, part of French A40 autoroute.
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Hi all,

OK you may read this and guffaw with dismay, but I'm just about to move to Switzerland and so have no idea about this! ;-)

I need advice on the safety of driving across from bellegarde-sur-valserine on the E62/E21 towards Geneva in mid Jan. Does it often get snowy, or dangerous to drive across that stretch at that time of year? How well maintained is the motorway in terms of gritting against snow/ice?

My family will be driving our old campervan across this route from France in mid Jan, with kids, cats and all in tow as we move to Switzerland. This is a very ancient vehicle, with no ABS, and it stears like a two ton delinquant. So wondering if we're possibly insane to be attempting this journey!?

thanks for any advice....
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Your campervan must be technically adequate and preferably fitted with winter Tires if you want to drive on A40 between Pont d'Ain and St-Julien. Keep an ice scraper and a snow shovel within easy reach. From Bellegarde, follow D101 toward "Vouvray" / A40 and then toward A40- Genève". There is a ~ 4 € toll you have to pay just before reaching A40-A41 St-Julien junction. In winter, the snow removal crew works diligently to keep the road clear.

Avoid driving to Geneva via the D1206 road. The road is windy in a hilly area and not always in good condition.
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Re: driving from bellegarde sur valserine in jan, advise please regarding safety?

thanks very much for your help on this - its much appreciated.

I got snow tyres fitted for our Renault, but thats being shipped over, as we need the campervan in order for us to fit in with the cats and all the stuff we'll be bringing. I asked our local garage about fitting snow tyres for the campervan, but he said it wouldn't be possible for a vehicle of that age to find them!?

I need to take the tyre codes and pump them into the net, to see if anyone does them. Otherwise we'll need to take the risk and drive w/o Hence the questions about the safety of driving across that route.

Our satnat wanted to take us across the Jura mountains, but I thought that would be worse...much higher and therefore more risk of ice/snow, not to mention the roads looked like they zigzagged quite severely.

I'm thinking we'll need to lodge out at a hotel en route if the motorway ends up too snowy.

OK this may be a very silly question, but would we be able to fit snow chains over normal tyres, or is that going to ruin the tyres?

thanks again. xx
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OK this may be a very silly question, but would we be able to fit snow chains over normal tyres, or is that going to ruin the tyres?
In theory, you can put snow chains over normal tyres, but they're a hassle to use as you should only use them in deep snow and you'll be limited to about 50km/h with the chains on.

I'm surprised you can't find winter tyres for your camper van. If you're still in the UK, I would suggest noting down the tyre size and checking with one of the online specialists like http://www.mytyres.co.uk/.

Otherwise, if you have any flexibility in your travel, I would simply watch the weather reports. They're usually very good clearing the roads, so provided you stick to the main routes and there hasn't been fresh/new snowfall (and there isn't any predicted), you could probably chance it with your regular tyres.

I wouldn't make a habit of driving in the winter without proper winter tyres, but for a one-off move, it might make more sense just to try to time it with the weather and accept that you might have to camp out a day or two if the weather turns bad until the roads are cleared.
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I'm thinking we'll need to lodge out at a hotel en route if the motorway ends up too snowy.
Maybe to avoid the risk of having to find a hotel if the weather turns nasty, you could travel over in one of those vans with beds in
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Re: driving from bellegarde sur valserine in jan, advise please regarding safety?

Check your satnav settings, I think there should be one for motorway priority or possibly fastest route. And yes, it would be worse going over the Jura mountains, several hundred metres higher than the motorway route I would guess.

A few websites to check before you leave are:

www.meteosuisse.ch which will give you an idea of what the expected weather is likely to be for the next few 5/6 days. Some of it is in English and if you can find the local prognosis bit then you can type in Geneva and it will give you the expected weather for that area. It's not always right, but at least it'll give you an idea of what might be happening.

Another one to try is www.truckinfo.ch which has reports on blockages, accidents, etc. Again it does have English and you can choose Switzerland and surrounding areas to get any nearby French problems as well. The problem is that when I last checked a couple of days ago the site wasn't working. It also has a truck routing section which might be helpful for you. Just type in Bellegarde to Geneva and see what it comes up with. Compare it with a map to see if it's any good for you.

Also you could have a look at www.tcs.ch which is the Swiss equivalent of the AA. It does have up to date info on accidents, etc.

I really don't know about chains over tyres. I would think you could put them on normal tyres, but until the snow is coming down and laying you couldn't really drive with chains on. I've no idea how well the tyres would hold up with chains on for any distance of drive either.

Make sure you have your radio on and tuned to 107.7FM which is the French station for weather/traffic alerts. They're pretty good for putting out info if it's really going to be bad. And overhead signs will have info too so watch out for those.

When are you actually leaving and will you have access to a PC/tablet, etc, to get updates?
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Re: driving from bellegarde sur valserine in jan, advise please regarding safety?

You can very well drive to Geneva on your summer tires. Just make sure the tread on your summer tires is no less than 1/5th of an inch (~5 mm). The fastest route (and possibly the safest) from the UK is to drive on A26 > A5 > A31 > A39 > A40. The latter goes thru the Jura mountains and you may want to check the Autoroute weather here: http://www.aprr.fr/fr/preparation_au...s_reel/webcams
Click on the map to zoom in.

An alternative route would be to drive to Besançon (A26 > A5 > A31 > A39 > A36) and then take N57 to Vallorbe and then to Geneva via Lausanne.

You should definitely avoid driving thru the Jura mountains on N5

I don't think snow chains will damage your tires, however if they become unfastened when driven at higher speed they may eat up the fenders and wheel wells of your vehicle.

Also I agree with every thing "Village Idiot" said.


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thanks very much for your help on this - its much appreciated.

I got snow tyres fitted for our Renault, but thats being shipped over, as we need the campervan in order for us to fit in with the cats and all the stuff we'll be bringing. I asked our local garage about fitting snow tyres for the campervan, but he said it wouldn't be possible for a vehicle of that age to find them!?

I need to take the tyre codes and pump them into the net, to see if anyone does them. Otherwise we'll need to take the risk and drive w/o Hence the questions about the safety of driving across that route.

Our satnat wanted to take us across the Jura mountains, but I thought that would be worse...much higher and therefore more risk of ice/snow, not to mention the roads looked like they zigzagged quite severely.

I'm thinking we'll need to lodge out at a hotel en route if the motorway ends up too snowy.

OK this may be a very silly question, but would we be able to fit snow chains over normal tyres, or is that going to ruin the tyres?

thanks again. xx
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I asked our local garage about fitting snow tyres for the campervan, but he said it wouldn't be possible for a vehicle of that age to find them!?

Unless you have something like an austin with a strange imperial tyre size then your " friendly local garage" is, i highly suspect, talking out of his bottom which translates to "i cant be bothered"
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Re: driving from bellegarde sur valserine in jan, advise please regarding safety?

Whilst snow tyres aren't technically obligatory, if you're caught in any kind of incident without them, you may be done for "dangerous driving" or equivalent offences.
On the whole, the motorways are the roads that are best cleared in bad weather, whether in France or Switzerland. As others have said, if the weather is bad and the vehicle isn't suitably equipped, you might be better off stopping and waiting for the weather to improve.
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Re: driving from bellegarde sur valserine in jan, advise please regarding safety?

Thanks very much Chudderwaltsch, I'll make a note of those routes and keep them in the van. Our tyres have a very good tread, no balding etc. Our insurance does state that we'd be void if csught in an accident w/o snow tyres, but I think we'll take the chance and like you all say, if the weather's rubbish, then we'll decamp to a hotel en route. I'm watching the weather forecasts avidly at the moment!!!


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You can very well drive to Geneva on your summer tires. Just make sure the tread on your summer tires is no less than 1/5th of an inch (~5 mm). The fastest route (and possibly the safest) from the UK is to drive on A26 > A5 > A31 > A39 > A40. The latter goes thru the Jura mountains and you may want to check the Autoroute weather here: http://www.aprr.fr/fr/preparation_au...s_reel/webcams
Click on the map to zoom in.

An alternative route would be to drive to Besançon (A26 > A5 > A31 > A39 > A36) and then take N57 to Vallorbe and then to Geneva via Lausanne.

You should definitely avoid driving thru the Jura mountains on N5

I don't think snow chains will damage your tires, however if they become unfastened when driven at higher speed they may eat up the fenders and wheel wells of your vehicle.

Also I agree with every thing "Village Idiot" said.


Have a safe trip!
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Re: driving from bellegarde sur valserine in jan, advise please regarding safety?

thank-you loads fleecestealer, those are brilliant links. Really helpful. I'll make sure and jot them down. We have internet access on the move, so yes will get those bookmarked to check before and during the trip.

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Check your satnav settings, I think there should be one for motorway priority or possibly fastest route. And yes, it would be worse going over the Jura mountains, several hundred metres higher than the motorway route I would guess.

A few websites to check before you leave are:

www.meteosuisse.ch which will give you an idea of what the expected weather is likely to be for the next few 5/6 days. Some of it is in English and if you can find the local prognosis bit then you can type in Geneva and it will give you the expected weather for that area. It's not always right, but at least it'll give you an idea of what might be happening.

Another one to try is www.truckinfo.ch which has reports on blockages, accidents, etc. Again it does have English and you can choose Switzerland and surrounding areas to get any nearby French problems as well. The problem is that when I last checked a couple of days ago the site wasn't working. It also has a truck routing section which might be helpful for you. Just type in Bellegarde to Geneva and see what it comes up with. Compare it with a map to see if it's any good for you.

Also you could have a look at www.tcs.ch which is the Swiss equivalent of the AA. It does have up to date info on accidents, etc.

I really don't know about chains over tyres. I would think you could put them on normal tyres, but until the snow is coming down and laying you couldn't really drive with chains on. I've no idea how well the tyres would hold up with chains on for any distance of drive either.

Make sure you have your radio on and tuned to 107.7FM which is the French station for weather/traffic alerts. They're pretty good for putting out info if it's really going to be bad. And overhead signs will have info too so watch out for those.

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Unless you have something like an austin with a strange imperial tyre size then your " friendly local garage" is, i highly suspect, talking out of his bottom which translates to "i cant be bothered"
Many of us good folk here use ReifenDirect, to order good price winter tyres.
They have a sister company (under the same umbrella) in the UK.

http://www.mytyres.co.uk/

Just write down the tyre size that you have fitted now, and enter in the boxes, and select Winter to search ..... or the Big Brother method - just put your reg. no. in the appropriate box.

Order yourself direct, or choose one and tell your friendly garage to order for you ...... they probably use the same site for their tyres, anyway, and just add a mark-up.
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will give them a check, thanks.

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Many of us good folk here use ReifenDirect, to order good price winter tyres.
They have a sister company (under the same umbrella) in the UK.

http://www.mytyres.co.uk/

Just write down the tyre size that you have fitted now, and enter in the boxes, and select Winter to search ..... or the Big Brother method - just put your reg. no. in the appropriate box.

Order yourself direct, or choose one and tell your friendly garage to order for you ...... they probably use the same site for their tyres, anyway, and just add a mark-up.
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Re: driving from bellegarde sur valserine in jan, advise please regarding safety?

I Think some thing has been forgotten, " Chains and spikes are forbidden on all motorways”.
But this does not say you should not have a pair in the car.
From October until the end from April I always have chains in the boot.
In Switzerland it is a extra safety factor in winter.

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Our insurance does state that we'd be void if csught in an accident w/o snow tyres
I'd recommend never being in a situation where an insurance company can avoid paying out. A quick flurry and an accident while you're seeking shelter could be life changing.
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I Think some thing has been forgotten, " Chains and spikes are forbidden on all motorways”.
But this does not say you should not have a pair in the car.
From October until the end from April I always have chains in the boot.
In Switzerland it is a extra safety factor in winter.

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Not on the motorway up to Vallorbe they're not. I've often seen snow chains obligatory warning signs out on that stretch of road. Don't know if it's only for trucks though.
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I Think some thing has been forgotten, " Chains and spikes are forbidden on all motorways”.
But this does not say you should not have a pair in the car.
From October until the end from April I always have chains in the boot.
In Switzerland it is a extra safety factor in winter.

Salut Zämma
On Swiss Autobahnen/Autoroutes:

Chains: authorized, when hazardous conditions (snows) make tire chains a safer alternative than the actual rubber tires themselves: e.g. on A12 between La Veyre and Châtel-St-Denis. Chains are illegal on cleared roads.

Spikes: The use of tire spikes is strictly forbidden on Swiss Autobahnen. Expect hefty fines if you are caught.
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