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Exporting (or not) my car to Norway

Morning all

I am trying to think of a way to drive my swiss car in Norway once I have left Switzerland.

Some points -
The car is worth 3x as much in Norway as it is in CH.
To import the car is too expensive. Roughly 30000CHF on a 12000CHF car.
The car is possibly enjoying a little negative equity around 2000CHF on a loan

This is my current plan is this.

Find someone whom I give the car to and reg. it in their name. I pay all the bills and drive in Norway for 12 months and then leave Norway every three months. I am concerned that if I have an accident I would impact the insurance of the new "owner" so I would need to find someone who does not own a car.

Questions

1. Is it possible to be the named insured person for a car you dont own.
2. Have I missed a glaring issue

Thanks for any thoughts.

Will
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Re: Exporting (or not) my car to Norway

Does your car not count as "Personal Effects" when you return to Norway?

For most of Europe you complete a transfer of residence , no tax is paid.
All items should be already used, not goods in original packing etc.
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Re: Exporting (or not) my car to Norway

A few issues I can think of, just off the top of my head:

First, you'll need to settle the finance on the car before you can 'give' it to someone else.

Second, it won't take a rocket scientist to figure out that you're trying to avoid the regulations. If you're involved in an accident, or the vehicle is stolen, the insurers may contest the claim and not pay up as you've misrepresented the situation when you took out the policy. Don't rule out the possibility of a neighbor whistle-blowing when they see you regularly using your foreign-registered car to 'cheat' the tax system.

If you're 100% honest with the insurance company ("I intend to take the car with me to Norway and keep it on Swiss plates for the next 12 months") and they'll still insure you, that's one thing. But anything else is fraudulent and likely to end badly....
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Morning all

I am trying to think of a way to drive my swiss car in Norway once I have left Switzerland.

Some points -
The car is worth 3x as much in Norway as it is in CH.
To import the car is too expensive. Roughly 30000CHF on a 12000CHF car.
The car is possibly enjoying a little negative equity around 2000CHF on a loan

This is my current plan is this.

Find someone whom I give the car to and reg. it in their name. I pay all the bills and drive in Norway for 12 months and then leave Norway every three months. I am concerned that if I have an accident I would impact the insurance of the new "owner" so I would need to find someone who does not own a car.

Questions

1. Is it possible to be the named insured person for a car you dont own.
2. Have I missed a glaring issue

Thanks for any thoughts.

Will
Will you have residency in Norway or Switzerland?

I don't know the rules in Norway but if it was Denmark (which has a similar high tax on cars like Norway so probably the same setup in order to avoid misuse is in place) you will not be allowed to drive a car on foreign licence plates IF you are residing in Denmark UNLESS the owner it in the car with you.

So, if the rules are the same in Norway, the fake owner (who will be a person living in Switzerland) will have to be with you in the car

When I visit my family in Denmark, my dad can not take my car for even a short ride WITHOUT me being in the car with him.

The same goes for rentals. People living in DK are not allowed to rent a car outside DK and use it on home soil.
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Re: Exporting (or not) my car to Norway

Seems they're wise to this scheme. If you're staying for more than a year, you have to declare the car and pay import duty from day one, regardless of whether you're the owner or not. From: http://www.toll.no/templates_TAD/Art...epslanguage=en

10 Sanctions and reactions in connection with violation of the Temporary-use Regulation the Temporary-use Regulation section 10


The main rule in connection with violation of the Temporary-use Regulation, cf. section 10
Violation of the Temporary-use Regulation results in a duty to pay motor vehicle tax, duty and value added tax, cf. section 10 first paragraph.
The tax demand shall be addressed to the party who imports/uses the motor vehicle in violation of the Temporary-use Regulation, cf. section 10 second paragraph. Whether the person in question is the owner of the vehicle is irrelevant in this context. In connection with violation of section 5 letter c) fourth paragraph, which states that an individual vehicle cannot be used here by persons with a permanent place of residence in Norway for more than 182 days in a 12-month period, the demand is addressed to the registered owner of the hire vehicle, cf. section 10 second paragraph.

A motor vehicle that is used in violation of the Temporary-use Regulation may be held back under the authority of the Act relating to customs and the import and export of goods section 4-2. Note that the authority to withhold does not apply to motor vehicle tax. A motor vehicle cannot be a held back if the other taxes (value added tax and hydrofluoric carbon tax) have been paid. The right to hold back a motor vehicle shall not be exercised in connection with violations of section 5 letter c) concerning hire vehicles.


An administrative charge may be imposed in addition to the tax that has or could have been evaded pursuant to Act no. 2 of 19 June 1959 relating to taxes on motor vehicles and boats section 3, cf. the Act relating to customs duties and the import and export of goods section 16-10 and the Act relating to sales tax section 3. In order to impose additional duty, it is a condition that the person who has contravened the regulations has done so negligently or with intent. In connection with violations of the Temporary-use Regulation, an additional administrative charge shall be considered, irrespective of whether the motor vehicle is permitted to be re-exported and the tax demand is waived. An exception has been made from this rule for the tax-free re-export of vehicles covered by section 5 letter c) concerning hire vehicles.


The question of whether to impose an additional administrative charge shall be considered on an independent basis. The grounds for imposing or not imposing an additional charge shall be stated in the decision. Considerations of deterrence may call for the imposition of an additional charge despite the fact that special circumstances mean that the vehicle is permitted to be re-exported without ordinary taxes being levied. The reason for this is that the assessment of re-exportation and the assessment of an additional administrative charge are two different decisions that are based on different considerations. The additional administrative charge is an independent reaction against negligent or intentional violation of the regulations. The right to permit tax-free re-export of a motor vehicle is intended to act as a safety valve and is justified on grounds of reasonableness.
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Will you have residency in Norway or Switzerland?

I don't know the rules in Norway but if it was Denmark (which has a similar high tax on cars like Norway so probably the same setup in order to avoid misuse is in place) you will not be allowed to drive a car on foreign licence plates IF you are residing in Denmark UNLESS the owner it in the car with you.

So, if the rules are the same in Norway, the fake owner (who will be a person living in Switzerland) will have to be with you in the car

When I visit my family in Denmark, my dad can not take my car for even a short ride WITHOUT me being in the car with him.

The same goes for rentals. People living in DK are not allowed to rent a car outside DK and use it on home soil.
So, same rules as here.

Regarding the insurance, there are no named drivers here. The vehicle is what is insured, not the driver.

Tom
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Morning all

I am trying to think of a way to drive my swiss car in Norway once I have left Switzerland.

Some points -
The car is worth 3x as much in Norway as it is in CH.
To import the car is too expensive. Roughly 30000CHF on a 12000CHF car.
The car is possibly enjoying a little negative equity around 2000CHF on a loan

This is my current plan is this.

Find someone whom I give the car to and reg. it in their name. I pay all the bills and drive in Norway for 12 months and then leave Norway every three months. I am concerned that if I have an accident I would impact the insurance of the new "owner" so I would need to find someone who does not own a car.

Questions

1. Is it possible to be the named insured person for a car you dont own.
2. Have I missed a glaring issue

Thanks for any thoughts.

Will
And.....if there is one "system" you don't want to mess with (in any country) it has to be the tax system.

When caught you will be punished severely.

The immediate solution is to pay up or buy a cheaper car in Norway.

I once bought a nice motor bike in Germany for 4000 on which I had to pay 8000 in taxes
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Re: Exporting (or not) my car to Norway

Thanks all

Looks like she'll be staying in Switzerland and I'll be driving a Berlingo.

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