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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

In other words, if I never drive the car in Switzerland, is there any problem if I made severe modifications? I want to preserve the possibility to put the plate (so keep the car registered) however I will never drive it so police will never stop me driving the car.

Is this doable?
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I was thinking: what if I buy the car with Swiss plate, I heavily modify it (so becomes illegal), but I never drive it in Switzerland, only ouside?
What will you use for a license plate, as the Swiss one will be taken away?

And how do you plan to pas the bi-yearly inspection?

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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

You can buy trackday insurance. I guess you may not be going on tracks like the Nürburgring as it's classed as a public toll road if you dump the plates.

You don't need to lower a car or anything like that for track days.

If you keep the car in Germany and take it on a trailer to tracks, you should have no issue - as long as you don't pass through Switzerland with it on the back of a Swiss-registered car (this may spark the interest of the customs guys).

It's funny that you've gone from waiting 3-4 months for your Swiss car to wanting to have some modified hotrod trackday car here.

And let's not forget if you just arrived, you can have a foreign car here for a year from the date of your arrival if you declare it and if it is legal in the country for which it carries registration plates.
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It's funny that you've gone from waiting 3-4 months for your Swiss car to wanting to have some modified hotrod trackday car here.
Yes I agree, it sounds strange. The thing is that I could not imagine that was so hard to get some new brakes on my new car.. I am getting really crazy to do that, and this is just because Switzerland does not accept the EU certificates, which is ridiculous since a EU driver is allowedto enter and to drive here with his EU car, whatever changes he has on his car. This is really limiting my freedom and I feel bad about it.
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don't be put out by all the abuse you receive on here.

register a company in germany. transfer the ownership of the car to to company. the stated 'mission' of the company should be something like to modify and tune cars. make sure you are a listed director or employee of the company. you can drive the car in switzerland for 'road testing' purposes as its company business. if its not kept outside your house and you don't go shopping in it or commute to another job you will be fine. you'd need to store it mainly in germany too.

substitute germany for italy or UK if its more convenient. the car doesn't need to be registered in the same country as the company.

sounds crazy, but this is your only option for what you want to do. i've discussed this in detail with the swiss customs. might not be worth it for just one low value car. it not - i may be able to help you (but you'd have to be comfortable essentially giving me your car - in title at least). i may even be able to store it for you in italy for a small fee (unless it's butt ugly or distastefully modified in which case it would incur my displeasure to look at .

oh, and make you talk to an accountant about the foreign company to make sure it's sustainably legitimate. you'll probably need at least one 'customer' a year but that should be easy to arrange.

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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

If you are not fussed about driving it on the road - I have a fully prepped race-car for sale - and includes the Swiss race car pass

Fully caged; custom built suspension; AP-racing brakes all round - lightened including plastic windows and body parts; Swirlpot; solid engine and gearbox mounting; spare wheels; diff bracing. Etc Etc



And by the way, depending on the car there are plenty of legal ways to drive modified cars on the road. If you have a BMW both Daehler and Emmenegger Power do brake kits - with Swiss certification
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

Hello!

I was about to open a new topic but I guess my situation fits here.

A few months ago I de-registered from Switzerland and brought my Swiss car to Portugal. The car has now portuguese plates but I still have my swiss driving license. I could easily get my portuguese driving license again, however I'm going back to Switzerland, so I'm not sure if that would make sense.

So, once in Switzerland, if the police stop me while driving a car with portuguese plates I will show them my swiss driving license, however I won't have a residence permit... And... If I don't have a residence permit I can't import the car...

In order to drive my car in Switzerland it might be simpler to get the portuguese driving license again, then, once I get a residence permit I have a maximum period of a year to change it for a swiss driving license.

The situation is a bit confusing and I'm not sure how I should proceed. Any clues?

Thanks
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

I've read the whole topic... And I am still not sure.

Clear case:
-I've got a contract in Switzerland, where I have never been living before
-I have EU driving license
-My father owns a car, with EU plates

I want to come with this car, and use it less than 1 year, then bring it back to my father and buy a new car in Switzerland.

Possible?

The problems I see:
-I do not own car for 6 months (but I don't want to import it forever, just use the temporary 1 year)
-The car is not mine.
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

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Hello!

I was about to open a new topic but I guess my situation fits here.

A few months ago I de-registered from Switzerland and brought my Swiss car to Portugal. The car has now portuguese plates but I still have my swiss driving license. I could easily get my portuguese driving license again, however I'm going back to Switzerland, so I'm not sure if that would make sense.

So, once in Switzerland, if the police stop me while driving a car with portuguese plates I will show them my swiss driving license, however I won't have a residence permit... And... If I don't have a residence permit I can't import the car...

In order to drive my car in Switzerland it might be simpler to get the portuguese driving license again, then, once I get a residence permit I have a maximum period of a year to change it for a swiss driving license.

The situation is a bit confusing and I'm not sure how I should proceed. Any clues?

Thanks
No idea- but why not ask the Service des Autos direct? (and welcome back)
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www.scan-ne.ch/

Would you like me to phone them? (just as a question, no owner or car detail given, of course).

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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

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I've read the whole topic... And I am still not sure.

Clear case:
-I've got a contract in Switzerland, where I have never been living before
-I have EU driving license
-My father owns a car, with EU plates

I want to come with this car, and use it less than 1 year, then bring it back to my father and buy a new car in Switzerland.

Possible?

The problems I see:
-I do not own car for 6 months (but I don't want to import it forever, just use the temporary 1 year)
-The car is not mine.
Yes possible. I did exactly the same. You don't need to be the owner to drive the car in Switzerland.

Odile, I will give it one or two more days to figure this out, if I don't get a satisfactory answer I will call them.
Once again, thanks for your help
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-I do not own car for 6 months (but I don't want to import it forever, just use the temporary 1 year)
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Yes possible. I did exactly the same. You don't need to be the owner to drive the car in Switzerland.
Not to drive it, no, but if you're resident here it does need to be officially declared for temporary import, and I believe that will need to be done by the owner, who must a) be resident here AND/OR b) be in the vehicle, even if not actually driving. Certainly a non-owner cannot legally do so as described.

This has been discussed ad nauseum earlier in the thread, as it's a very popular way for temporary expats to avoid Swiss bureaucracy and costs, but while it's clear that many people get away with doing this, it's equally clear that technically you could be in big trouble for illegally importing and using the vehicle if it's discovered.

And if you have an accident your non-Swiss insurance may deny anything but the legal minimum 3rd-party cover once they figure out what you were doing. (And it's been suggested that foreign insurers, like Swiss ones, may be able to take steps to claw back any payouts from the insured driver after the event, but AFAICT no examples of this have been given).

So no, there's no easy, legal, way round it. Buy a cheap runabout in Switzerland, then sell it when you leave.
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

So how about applying for blue-zone parking space with such a car? Possible?
How much it would change, if my father would sell the car to me, so I'd be an owner, but less than 6 months?

I've found such a statement:
"Foreign workers (holders of annual permits or short-term permits and trainees) are permitted to use a foreign vehicle in the customs area duty-free for a period of two years from the date of first entry (for example upon taking up employment) (form 15.30) even if they transfer their domicile under civil law to the customs area. The charge is CHF 25."

http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_pri..._JjKbNoKSn6A--

The insurance is not a problem in my case, but thanks for explanation.
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So how about applying for blue-zone parking space with such a car? Possible?
How much it would change, if my father would sell the car to me, so I'd be an owner, but less than 6 months?

I've found such a statement:
"Foreign workers (holders of annual permits or short-term permits and trainees) are permitted to use a foreign vehicle in the customs area duty-free for a period of two years from the date of first entry (for example upon taking up employment) (form 15.30) even if they transfer their domicile under civil law to the customs area. The charge is CHF 25."

http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_pri..._JjKbNoKSn6A--

The insurance is not a problem in my case, but thanks for explanation.
It doesn't matter how many times this topic is discussed, there is always one idiot who wants to bring a car that doesn't belong to them and drive it here without importing it.

Today you are that idiot.

We don't care if you break the law, we don't care if the car gets confiscated. What we do care about is that if you have an accident it will cause us more hassle.
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I've found such a statement:
"Foreign workers (holders of annual permits or short-term permits and trainees) are permitted to use a foreign vehicle...
<Sigh> Yes, that's correct. Did you actually read my reply? The bit about it having to be officially imported?

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Can you get Swiss car insurance if you're not the owner of the vehicle?
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

Muniek- could you please explain how 'insurance is not a problem for you'- please and thank you.

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Can you get Swiss car insurance if you're not the owner of the vehicle?
Sure, as the person in whose name the grey card is is not necessarily the owner!

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Muniek- could you please explain how 'insurance is not a problem for you'- please and thank you.
My original insurance is covering all incidents abroad, including Switzerland. Yes, even if I stay there whole year. Many of my friends are staying with that insurances over a year in different European countries, like UK and Germany. And again yes, it is valid in Switzerland, and yes I know it's not EU.

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It doesn't matter how many times this topic is discussed, there is always one idiot who wants to bring a car that doesn't belong to them and drive it here without importing it.

Today you are that idiot.

We don't care if you break the law, we don't care if the car gets confiscated. What we do care about is that if you have an accident it will cause us more hassle.
Sorry, but today you're the idiot, as you the replies are saying:
-no, it's illegal and not possible at all
-no, it's illegal, but there is huge chance they'll catch you
-yes, it's illegal but everyone is doing that
-yes, it's legal, as long as the car is yours
-yes, it's legal and you just need to have written permission.

I've read whole this topic, and every single other info I've found and the replies are totally different, which, as you may suspect, is really important for me, because - hello - I want to move to Switzerland with car, and there is no place for guessing.

It's why yesterday I've written mail to ezv.admin.ch, asking exactly the same question as here on forum, and it's the reply:

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Foreign workers (holders of annual permits or short-term permits and trainees) are permitted to use a foreign vehicle in the customs territory duty-free for a period of two years from the date of the first entry up to the start of employment (form 15.30) even if they transfer their domicile under civil law to the customs territory. The fee is CHF 25.--. This permit will be filled in by entering to Switzerland with the car at any time.

If your vehicle was registered abroad in the name of another family member, you require written confirmation from this person. It must be clear from this that you are effectively the owner of the vehicle and that you yourself used this vehicle previously abroad. Please submit the confirmation to the customs office without being solicited to do so.

In accordance with the Traffic Registration Ordinance (SR 741.51), foreign motor vehicles and trailers must have Swiss registration documents and be fitted with Swiss licence plates if they have been located in Switzerland for more than one year without interruption of more than three consecutive months.

A condition for the application of these time limits, however, is that foreign licence plates and registration documents have a corresponding period of validity, if not you have to register this car with Swiss licence plates. Information is provided by the Road Traffic Offices:
http://www.asa.ch/de/strassenverkehrsaemter.htm
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Foreign workers (holders of annual permits or short-term permits and trainees) are permitted to use a foreign vehicle in the customs territory duty-free for a period of two years from the date of the first entry up to the start of employment (form 15.30) even if they transfer their domicile under civil law to the customs territory. The fee is CHF 25.--. This permit will be filled in by entering to Switzerland with the car at any time.

If your vehicle was registered abroad in the name of another family member, you require written confirmation from this person. It must be clear from this that you are effectively the owner of the vehicle and that you yourself used this vehicle previously abroad. Please submit the confirmation to the customs office without being solicited to do so.

In accordance with the Traffic Registration Ordinance (SR 741.51), foreign motor vehicles and trailers must have Swiss registration documents and be fitted with Swiss licence plates if they have been located in Switzerland for more than one year without interruption of more than three consecutive months.

A condition for the application of these time limits, however, is that foreign licence plates and registration documents have a corresponding period of validity, if not you have to register this car with Swiss licence plates. Information is provided by the Road Traffic Offices:
http://www.asa.ch/de/strassenverkehrsaemter.htm
The bold paragraphs are the key parts.

First one, "DUTY FREE" means you don't have to pay any import charges for upto 2 years. If you wish to keep the car in Switzerland after this point you pay DUTY based on the car's value at that point - and not the point you imported it. Unless the car is a 1960s Ferrari it will be much less

Second part, the car is considered a temporary import and is placed on Z-plates. Your car will need to pass an MFK, get Swiss insurance and then the plates are issued.

And once again I have typed the same stuff that I have already typed on this forum on this subject, because today's idiot doesn't understand what he reads - and desperately wants confirmation he can get away with doing something illegal.

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The bold paragraphs are the key parts.

First one, "DUTY FREE" means you don't have to pay any import charges for upto 2 years. If you wish to keep the car in Switzerland after this point you pay DUTY based on the car's value at that point - and not the point you imported it. Unless the car is a 1960s Ferrari it will be much less
And I told it already 2 times that before that time I will give the car back. I do not wish to have that car after that time in Switzerland anymore.


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Second part, the car is considered a temporary import and is placed on Z-plates. Your car will need to pass an MFK, get Swiss insurance and then the plates are issued.

And once again I have typed the same stuff that I have already typed on this forum on this subject, because today's idiot doesn't understand what he reads - and desperately wants confirmation he can get away with doing something illegal.

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In accordance with the Traffic Registration Ordinance (SR 741.51), foreign motor vehicles and trailers must have Swiss registration documents and be fitted with Swiss licence plates if they have been located in Switzerland for more than one year without interruption of more than three consecutive months.
How could it count, if I want to keep the car for half of the year?
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