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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

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How could it count, if I want to keep the car for half of the year?
Oh I see, you don't want the right answer, you just want an answer that works for you.

Just drive the car in this country - don't worry nothing can go wrong.
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

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Oh I see, you don't want the right answer, you just want an answer that works for you.

Just drive the car in this country - don't worry nothing can go wrong.
Do you have any logical arguments, or you're just trolling? You quoted the sentence saying that if car is over one year in Switzerland, it'll need the Swiss plates. How it corresponds with having car less than one year?
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

Problem 1

You misunderstand by becoming a Swiss resident it invalidates the EU insurance. Check the insurance document small print.

If you live here and work here you are not an EU resident and the insurance will become invalid on the car on the day you become a true Swiss resident. Regardless of who has the policy or what plates it's on. You are not meeting the terms of the insurance contract.

Problem 2 you do not own the car. Now it becomes a tax/duty issue.

Avoidance of import duty means a) Big Fine, b) possible impound of the car until you pay up including the actual duty and the fine.

Answer to your issue.

Theoretically IF you owned the car and it was for less than 6 months

You would have to declare either temporary import (z plates) and export before a given date under 2 years from entry

OR Full route, import it to Switzerland pay the duty, go through the MFK + and pay tax + Swiss plates and the rest of the circus.

To LEGALLY address your request you need to a) declare this at the border for duty reasons b) mfk c) register for Z plates d) have valid Swiss insurance on the Z plates.

If you drive as it stands, and if caught you will be arrested for avoidance of import tax, invalid insurance and various other issues. Enjoy your day in court, all fines will be expensive.

You need to convert your driving license, if you're a resident and caught driving +1 year after entry on a foreign license you'll receive a nice fine for this too.

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Old 02.12.2014, 19:19
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Problem 1

You misunderstand by becoming a Swiss resident it invalidates the EU insurance. Check the insurance document small print.

If you live here and work here you are not an EU resident and the insurance will become invalid on the car on the day you become a true Swiss resident. Regardless of who has the policy or what plates it's on. You are not meeting the terms of the insurance contract.

Problem 2 you do not own the car. Now it becomes a tax/duty issue.

Avoidance of import duty means a) Big Fine, b) possible impound of the car until you pay up including the actual duty and the fine.

Answer to your issue.

Theoretically IF you owned the car and it was for less than 6 months

You would have to declare either temporary import (z plates) and export before a given date under 2 years from entry

OR Full route, import it to Switzerland pay the duty, go through the MFK + and pay tax + Swiss plates and the rest of the circus.

To LEGALLY address your request you need to a) declare this at the border for duty reasons b) mfk c) register for Z plates d) have valid Swiss insurance on the Z plates.

If you drive as it stands, and if caught you will be arrested for avoidance of import tax, invalid insurance and various other issues. Enjoy your day in court, all fines will be expensive.

You need to convert your driving license, if you're a resident and caught driving +1 year after entry on a foreign license you'll receive a nice fine for this too.

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Problem 1 - yes you are right. Becoming a resident here will invalid any other insurance except a Swiss one so he'll need to get that.

Problem 2 - no it doesn't. As he quoted from the e-mail he received from Swiss Customs: "If your vehicle was registered abroad in the name of another family member, you require written confirmation from this person. It must be clear from this that you are effectively the owner of the vehicle and that you yourself used this vehicle previously abroad." If his father is willing to give him written confirmation then he'll need to fill in form 15.30 to get his certificate and whatever else he needs to allow him to drive the car while he's here as previously stated:

"Foreign workers (holders of annual permits or short-term permits and trainees) are permitted to use a foreign vehicle in the customs area duty-free for a period of two years from the date of first entry (for example upon taking up employment) (form 15.30) even if they transfer their domicile under civil law to the customs area. The charge is CHF 25."

The driving licence isn't an issue either as he's already stated several times that he only plans to keep the car here for 6 months.
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Old 03.12.2014, 09:16
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Problem 2 - no it doesn't. As he quoted from the e-mail he received from Swiss Customs: "If your vehicle was registered abroad in the name of another family member, you require written confirmation from this person. It must be clear from this that you are effectively the owner of the vehicle and that you yourself used this vehicle previously abroad." If his father is willing to give him written confirmation then he'll need to fill in form 15.30 to get his certificate and whatever else he needs to allow him to drive the car while he's here as previously stated:

"Foreign workers (holders of annual permits or short-term permits and trainees) are permitted to use a foreign vehicle in the customs area duty-free for a period of two years from the date of first entry (for example upon taking up employment) (form 15.30) even if they transfer their domicile under civil law to the customs area. The charge is CHF 25."

The driving licence isn't an issue either as he's already stated several times that he only plans to keep the car here for 6 months.
The "duty free" bit is hugely important - as per my previous post. It means that there is a delay in the payment of duty to either at the end of 2 years OR if the car is sold OR not at all when the car is re-exported in that period.

The key to all of this is whether the individual is adequately insured while in Switzerland and not "normally resident" in the country in which the insurance is issued.

Based on experience and documentation it is very hard to get such insurance and if you do so it is quite expensive. Oddly though, Swiss insurance is very generous on this fact, and does allow extended periods of foreign travel - although this does require you to remain resident.

The vast majority of people driving non-CH plated cars in Switzerland are doing so in the mistaken belief they are fully insured. If the insurance is required then there would be a world of pain.
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The vast majority of people driving non-CH plated cars in Switzerland are doing so in the mistaken belief they are fully insured. If the insurance is required then there would be a world of pain.
When I first lived in CH, I told my insurance, they issued me with a years green card. If the insurer is informed of any special risk you will be covered. At the time green cards were not a requirement just as today.
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When I first lived in CH, I told my insurance, they issued me with a years green card. If the insurer is informed of any special risk you will be covered. At the time green cards were not a requirement just as today.
Indeed, I did the same when I rode my US plated bike for a year here.

And I got the green card for free from Winterthur.

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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

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The "duty free" bit is hugely important - as per my previous post. It means that there is a delay in the payment of duty to either at the end of 2 years OR if the car is sold OR not at all when the car is re-exported in that period.

The key to all of this is whether the individual is adequately insured while in Switzerland and not "normally resident" in the country in which the insurance is issued.

Based on experience and documentation it is very hard to get such insurance and if you do so it is quite expensive. Oddly though, Swiss insurance is very generous on this fact, and does allow extended periods of foreign travel - although this does require you to remain resident.

The vast majority of people driving non-CH plated cars in Switzerland are doing so in the mistaken belief they are fully insured. If the insurance is required then there would be a world of pain.
Summarising - is there problem with:
-import
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-insurance?

In my country the insurance is not per-driver, but per-car, anyone can drive it as long as the car is insured, and there is no problem with having it a year in another country (including Switzerland).
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Summarising - is there problem with:
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-insurance?

In my country the insurance is not per-driver, but per-car, anyone can drive it as long as the car is insured, and there is no problem with having it a year in another country (including Switzerland).
Which country? Yes you could drive it around Switzerland for a year as a tourist (if you could stay here that long as one), but once you become a resident everything changes. If your country is different, let us know.
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

I have read most of the thread, but still confused.

I live in France and have frontalier permit, but my girlfriend / other friends have mostly swiss residence and swiss licenses.

If I ask them to drive my car, or motorbike that is registered in EU and has EU insurance and we endter Switzerland (as I do every day) the car should be a subject of customs?
As long as in the car I can sit and prove I am the owner it is not really true for a motorbike.
That sounds like real ridiculous way of make swiss people live harder, haha.

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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

It's works the same if you live in France and try to drive a Swiss registered vehicle in France.

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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

Heh, so basically if I decided to change motorbikes with my friend to try and we both crossed the border back and forth. We could both be accussed of evading tax and duties and made paid huge fine + duties?

Ok, let's say it happened to somebody. He entered my french registered motorbike Switzerland, and he was caught and made paid fine + duties. But it is still my bike.. Is it possible to import somebody's vehicle without buying it? And then what, I would need to import it back to France? That sounds insane

Also if we drove out own bikes crossing the border, and then changed it is totally legal, no?
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Heh, so basically if I decided to change motorbikes with my friend to try and we both crossed the border back and forth. We could both be accussed of evading tax and duties and made paid huge fine + duties?

Ok, let's say it happened to somebody. He entered my french registered motorbike Switzerland, and he was caught and made paid fine + duties. But it is still my bike.. Is it possible to import somebody's vehicle without buying it? And then what, I would need to import it back to France? That sounds insane

Also if we drove out own bikes crossing the border, and then changed it is totally legal, no?

The law applies to you & your friend, nothing changes. It's clear in your home country you can only ride vehicles registered in your own country.
You can declare & pay to get temporary permission......
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The law applies to you & your friend, nothing changes. It's clear in your home country you can only ride vehicles registered in your own country.
You can declare & pay to get temporary permission......
But then considering I am a swiss resident with swiss license and swiss plates, I wouldnt be able to come back home in my own car and visit my parents for example? Pretty absurdal situation to anybody with dual citizenship or a foreign residency.

Same as someboedy menitoned that your EU insurance is not more valid since you become swiss resident. But I am still EU citizen no? I dont become more swiss than french from living in CH for a while. So that way swiss insurance should not be valid in my home country... I think the sense is lost somewhere
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

for the insurance the statement was actually IMO not true, it is valid without change, although within Switzerland your car would be only illegal with you if you lived there for a year. Outside Switzerland no changes. And after a year you just insure in Switzerland and then its valid everywhere unless you stay somewhere too long.
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But then considering I am a swiss resident with swiss license and swiss plates, I wouldnt be able to come back home in my own car and visit my parents for example?
But you aren't a Swiss resident if you live in France.

Classic example:

The mayor of Minusio (Ticino) lent her car to her son, who lives in Italy, a couple years ago. It was confiscated by the Italians, and took a year or so and a lot of money to get it back.

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But you aren't a Swiss resident if you live in France.

Classic example:

The mayor of Minusio (Ticino) lent her car to her son, who lives in Italy, a couple years ago. It was confiscated by the Italians, and took a year or so and a lot of money to get it back.

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Well, I am not, but it would be a mirror situation with french residence. Just that swiss is easier to imagine now for most Also I think Swiss law is much more invasive here than EU one.
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Well, I am not, but it would be a mirror situation with french residence. Just that swiss is easier to imagine now for most Also I think Swiss law is much more invasive here than EU one.
The law is identical in the EU, it's been mentioned many times in this thread, you must bear really stupid or can't believe it applies to you.
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The law is identical in the EU, it's been mentioned many times in this thread, you must be really stupid or can't believe it applies to you.
I vote for the former.
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