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So if a Swiss got polish residence, got polish car, and came back to Switzerland to see his realatives for a week, he is already commiting a crime? And to solve it he needs to get some special papers at the border? God... So happy I decided to be a frontalier after all So got not to hava swiss residence.

But there is something wrong, in Poland, you only pay duties and tex if you register foreign, imported car. Otherwise hardly anybody except form native swiss could leave Switzerland for travelling or shopping, ever. That's just wrong.

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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

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So if a Swiss got polish residence, got polish car, and came back to Switzerland to see his realatives for a week, he is already commiting a crime?
Polish car, polish residency. o.k.
Citizenship/passport and driving license do not matter.

See http://www.wcoomd.org/en/about-us/le...8C6281DC8.ashx

Here what is always o.k.
Residency X, Car X, Driving in customs area X.
Residency Y, Car X, Driving in customs area X.

Here is what is o.k. for a certain period (in Switzerland up to one year, after that needs approval for tax and duty free use):
Residency Y, Car X, Driving in customs area Z.
Residency X, Car X, Driving in customs area Z.

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means of transport for private use must be registered in a territory other than that of
temporary admission, in the name of a person established or resident in a territory other than
that of temporary admission, and be imported and used by persons resident in such a
territory.
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means of transport for private use may be used by third persons who are duly authorized by
the persons granted temporary admission.
This is o.k. in Switzerland and may be o.k. in other places:
Residency in Z, Car X, Driving in customs area Z when Person who brought Car legally into Z is present.

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Each Contracting Party may permit the use by a
person resident in its territory, in particular, where the means of transport is used on behalf
and on the instructions of the person granted temporary admission.
This needs approval for tax and duty free use from the Customs authority:
Residency in Z, Car X, Driving in customs area Z.


Note: Car can be replaced with:
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any vessel (including lighters and barges, whether or not shipborne, and hydrofoils),
hovercraft, aircraft, motor road vehicles (including cycles with engines, trailers, semi- trailers
and combinations of vehicles) and railway rolling stock; together with their normal spare parts,
accessories and equipment carried on board means of transport (including special equipment
for the loading, unloading, handling and protection of cargo);
a.k.a "means of transport".

PS: You do not need to own something to import it.
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Also I think Swiss law is much more invasive here than EU one.
Then you are very wrong, as it's the Italians who enforce it the most.

P.S. It's the EU who came up with this one.

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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

Thanks aSwissInTheUS, that's helping a lot.

So in this case looks like I would need to figure out how to prepare a proper approval for any potential user. Apparently such cases are super often here where we cross the border several times a day. And some sports require mixing cars a bit. I'll probably ask duanes the next time I see them.

I guess most of the people are not aware of such regulations

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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

Probably not much good for anybody but there's an (obvious) exception for diplomats. My wife drove a UK-registered car in Geneva with a Swiss driving license for years. If stopped (at the border mainly) she had a Carte de légitimation. More useful in real life for getting meat across the border, although she ought to have had a franchise for that.

Looking at the Swiss law and regulations, it seems the workaround is the same one I used as a twenty-something in NYC: register the car in a corporation name (an off-the-shelf English company will do) and then the rules are more lenient. And the parking tickets less enforceable. The insurance premiums may be higher though, and you have to tell them the car is mainly used abroad, if that's the case. (I registered the car in Vermont at the time, and that was before NY got together with the VT DMV and put a stop to people from NY getting VT DPL and NYP (journalist) plates. And also before the State Dept. Protocol Office took over the issuance of diplomatic plates.
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

I was looking into the company-car-idea, doesn't work though, except if you use the car alone.

Because all that is allowed is

1) driving from border to home and back
2) only business related journeys within CH

So with wife& kids in the car, that'll become difficult to explain.

I guess there's no easy around paying up.

And I do sympathise: I had a Belgian registered car in Germany+ Ireland for years, effectively exempting me from tickets, both speeding & parking. In CH that just doesn't seem possible.
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

Any tips on which Swiss insurers to approach to cover a car on UK plates for the (up to) 12-month period when moving to Switzerland? My first couple of enquiries have drawn blanks. I fully intend to buy a Swiss car within this period, and then selling the existing one in the UK - but could do without this just now if there is a way to get Swiss insurance without too much hassle
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Any tips on which Swiss insurers to approach to cover a car on UK plates for the (up to) 12-month period when moving to Switzerland? My first couple of enquiries have drawn blanks. I fully intend to buy a Swiss car within this period, and then selling the existing one in the UK - but could do without this just now if there is a way to get Swiss insurance without too much hassle
Aviva will cover you from the UK, may not be cheap however.
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

if you get stuck, try tourinsure in germany. they will insure pretty much any car for a flat fee and issue a green card. its about 1100 eur for 12 months and can be bought for anything from 2 to 12 months.
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Any tips on which Swiss insurers to approach to cover a car on UK plates for the (up to) 12-month period when moving to Switzerland? My first couple of enquiries have drawn blanks. I fully intend to buy a Swiss car within this period, and then selling the existing one in the UK - but could do without this just now if there is a way to get Swiss insurance without too much hassle
https://www.stuartcollins.com. Insurance from the UK.

Ironically, it was actually cheaper than my previous UK insurance for in the UK. Underwritten by AXA so it's good.
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https://www.stuartcollins.com. Insurance from the UK.

Ironically, it was actually cheaper than my previous UK insurance for in the UK. Underwritten by AXA so it's good.
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Very helpful and fast, all done by email/phone and I have the documents already. (It was actually 2x my UK insurance cost)
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

Gents, I have some contradicting info to which I haven't yet found proper legislation.

Let's say I, a foreigner living in country A, move to CH and start living here. I declare the car at customs, I get a 1-yr permit (2 max). I drive around on A-plates.

At one day I want to sell my car to my fellow countryman A-Guy, either with means of a Swiss or a Country A contract. Can he legally buy my car and then drive it around with A-Plates in CH, while the car still has the old A-Plates (and still within this mentioned 1-2 yrs of allowance from customs)?

I had an assumption that this doesn't work as the car only had allowance with me driving it in CH and if I sell it, it needs to be imported and MFK'd right on the spot. But I've now heard contradicting news that this in fact works.

Can someone shed some light on this topic pls?
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Gents, I have some contradicting info to which I haven't yet found proper legislation.

Let's say I, a foreigner living in country A, move to CH and start living here. I declare the car at customs, I get a 1-yr permit (2 max). I drive around on A-plates.

At one day I want to sell my car to my fellow countryman A-Guy, either with means of a Swiss or a Country A contract. Can he legally buy my car and then drive it around with A-Plates in CH, while the car still has the old A-Plates (and still within this mentioned 1-2 yrs of allowance from customs)?

I had an assumption that this doesn't work as the car only had allowance with me driving it in CH and if I sell it, it needs to be imported and MFK'd right on the spot. But I've now heard contradicting news that this in fact works.

Can someone shed some light on this topic pls?
No, you can't sell it in CH unless you pay import duties.
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No, you can't sell it in CH unless you pay import duties.
can you sell it in Country A and let the A-Guy get an extension on the car?
does the customs exemption form say "you and your vehicle" or does it just state the vehicle and the maximum time it's allowed to be in CH?
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