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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

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I think you will find the law is quite clear, you just believe you have a loophole, which I can assure you you haven't!

BTW if you went home to Italy for 20-25 days a month, how could you have been a German resident......the plot thickens!
Every month I take holidays and I can work from Italy. So 1 month Germany, 20 days Italy, etc
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

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Read, then re-read, all the posts here so far; in the case you describe it is quite clear - you must import and register the car here, else risk being fined for illegally importing it.
The OP hasn't moved to Zurich yet, so without being resident they're not going to be "importing" a car, are they. And once they are resident, they have a year where they're allowed to drive a car on foreign plates - although I'm not sure if such a car must be notified to customs prior. I know people who just drove over and waited almost 12 months before getting rid of their UK car, without any customs declaration.
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The OP hasn't moved to Zurich yet, so without being resident they're not going to be "importing" a car, are they. And once they are resident, they have a year where they're allowed to drive a car on foreign plates - although I'm not sure if such a car must be notified to customs prior.
Yes, that's true, he'll have a year after he moves here, and first brings the vehicle in, before needing to complete the import process. But he must notify Swiss customs when he first brings it in.

This is all pedantic, of course, and I know many people, myself included, who continued to 'get away with it' either through ignorance or knowingly, for a much longer period. When I was first informed that I should have done this, having been stopped at St. Louis Customs coming back in from France, we used the date that my wife came over (the car was registered in her name) as its date of import, despite the fact that I'd been using it here for many months before that. But it doesn't make it right
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Because the driver resided in Italy and had an Italian driving license.

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Now I got it. Car with Swiss plate, but the owner reside in Italy.

I was concerned because I'll move in 1 month to Zurich and I drive a car with Italian plate, and the owner is my father, and he reside in Italy.
I used that car 1 year in Germany and no problem until now. Also in Germany after 3 months you have to register the car with a German plate, but every month I go home in Italy for 20-25 days....and the law is not clear in this sense...
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Old 01.10.2013, 16:26
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Now I got it. Car with Swiss plate, but the owner reside in Italy.

I was concerned because I'll move in 1 month to Zurich and I drive a car with Italian plate, and the owner is my father, and he reside in Italy.
I used that car 1 year in Germany and no problem until now. Also in Germany after 3 months you have to register the car with a German plate, but every month I go home in Italy for 20-25 days....and the law is not clear in this sense...
At the Swiss border you need to complete the car declaration, as your own property, and then you have until 12 months to officially import it.

I am sure this 12 month privilege will not be available if it is your father's car!
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

I would like to add that I reside in Germany and in Italy, and it's possible. The only difference it's that I pay taxes in Germany because my contract it's German, but are two different topics.
So I have checked in depth and you have to change the plate if the car stays more that 3 months in Germany.
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Old 01.10.2013, 16:32
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At the Swiss border you need to complete the car declaration, as your own property, and then you have until 12 months to officially import it.

I am sure this 12 month privilege will not be available if it is your father's car!
The idea it's to buy another car after a couple of months, but who can tell me where to find the right procedure in this case? Do I have 1 month, 2 months, 10 days,,?
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

The answer is in here somewhere, http://www.admin.ch/opc/it/classifie...lation/63.html
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Vielen Dank Mate! I'll check
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

What if I have a visitor from Germany and we go out for a drink, I stay sober and drive the car with German license plates home, the former driver now being the passenger. Is that illegal?
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Old 02.10.2013, 12:06
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

Hello there,
I have called the customs ( the Italian one, for me much easier), and for my case (Italian plate and the owner it's my father) I need to declare the goods, fill in the module 1530, and have a written document from my father. After that I can use the car for 1 year. Within this year I can decide to change the plate or give back the car to my father. After this second step I cannot drive an Italian car in Swiss anymore.
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Hello there,
I have called the customs ( the Italian one, for me much easier), and for my case (Italian plate and the owner it's my father) I need to declare the goods, fill in the module 1530, and have a written document from my father. After that I can use the car for 1 year. Within this year I can decide to change the plate or give back the car to my father. After this second step I cannot drive an Italian car in Swiss anymore.
Well that IS good news. When will you change over your driving license?
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Hello there,
I have called the customs ( the Italian one, for me much easier), and for my case (Italian plate and the owner it's my father) I need to declare the goods, fill in the module 1530, and have a written document from my father. After that I can use the car for 1 year. Within this year I can decide to change the plate or give back the car to my father. After this second step I cannot drive an Italian car in Swiss anymore.
Well I'm glad you cleared that up to your satisfaction, but really, all you had to do was read the previous posts on this thread...
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What if I have a visitor from Germany and we go out for a drink, I stay sober and drive the car with German license plates home, the former driver now being the passenger. Is that illegal?
If you reside in Swiss, it's not allowed.
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What if I have a visitor from Germany and we go out for a drink, I stay sober and drive the car with German license plates home, the former driver now being the passenger. Is that illegal?
No, it's legal if the owner is in the car.

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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

Ah sorry, I was thinking that the owner was a relative...
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OK, a good example, but presumably the parents were not with him, so they must have deemed that he wasn't simply borrowing it while they were visiting.

I still have yet to see a specific law that relates to the actual question - is it illegal to drive a foreign-registered car on Swiss licence. All the quotes and examples so far are about illegally importing a vehicle, and your example illustrates clearly a situation where the customs would have concluded, quite rightly, that this was the case.

But what about when the owner is a passenger in the car, for example? Pretty sure they wouldn't claim it as an illegal import in that case. Where do they draw the line?

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No, it's legal if the owner is in the car.

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As I said previously it is impossible to prove a negative. There no law that forbids you to drive a foreign registred car. PERIOD.

Most tourists cars are brought over the borader based on Art. 55 ZV-EZV
Art. 55 Beförderungsmittel

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Personen mit Wohnsitz ausserhalb des Zollgebiets können Beförderungsmittel zum eigenen Gebrauch im Verfahren der vorübergehenden Verwendung grundsätzlich bis höchstens ein Jahr ohne Zollanmeldung verwenden.
If a foreign domiciled person can use a transport vehicle in Switzerland for its own use in Switzerland up to one year without any custom declaration.

I just had a talk with Mr. Caduff from the Zolldirektion Schaffhausen.
It is indeed perfectly legal, as long as the person who brought the car over the border is also in the car (does not have to be the owner). Then it is still "for its own use".

Here some examples, where this can be handy:
- Medical emergency
- Wine tasting tour
- Winter condition driving
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I just had a talk with Mr. Caduff from the Zolldirektion Schaffhausen.
It is indeed perfectly legal, as long as the person who brought the car over the border is also the car (does not have to be the owner).

Here some examples, where this can be handy:
- Medical emergency
- Wine tasting tour
- Winter condition driving
Good stuff, but I do think there's still room to clarify further.

For a start we should perhaps stop saying that something is 'illegal' when in fact it's not - it's not driving a foreign vehicle that would be the offence, but illegally importing it.

I now believe, from all these discussions, that there is no actual law prohibiting anyone from driving a foreign-registered car in Switzerland with a Swiss licence, as long as he can provide sufficient evidence to the customs people that he's not trying to import it.

Defining 'sufficient evidence' is the key, of course, and we've established for example that having the owner in the car would probably be accepted without question, but I'm pretty sure there would be other situations or sets of circumstances that would pass scrutiny too.

I doubt if we're going to be able to list all the possible situations that might be allowed, but would tend to feel that a common-sense approach would work, starting with the vehicle owner being responsible for bringing the vehicle into the country as a temporary visitor (i.e. as a tourist) and showing no intent for it to remain here once the owner departs.

Of course, most of the people asking the question are in fact trying to do exactly what the customs rules are designed to prevent, like the poster here, wanting to drive his dad's car for some months to avoid importing it, and yes, they should be made aware that doing so will not be legal.

Edit: I only just saw the bit in your post that says "There no law that forbids you to drive a foreign registred car. PERIOD.". Maybe that was what you added with the edit. Anyway, it's completely in tune with what I'm saying here.
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I still have yet to see a specific law that relates to the actual question - is it illegal to drive a foreign-registered car on Swiss licence.
I linked to the relevant page on the admin.ch site a while back but haven't time to go hunting for it again. Long and the short of it was it was v clear that even if e.g. you went skiing with a friend from the UK in their British registered car and they had an accident, it would still be illegal for you to drive their car back to your home on your Swiss driving licence.
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I linked to the relevant page on the admin.ch site a while back but haven't time to go hunting for it again. Long and the short of it was it was v clear that even if e.g. you went skiing with a friend from the UK in their British registered car and they had an accident, it would still be illegal for you to drive their car back to your home on your Swiss driving licence.
I haven't seen that - it would be useful if you could find it, to avoid going round in circles with this. Was it still a customs offence rather than a driving one?
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