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...When I'll get the Swiss driver license, they are going to take the Italian one and I can't drive car with foreign plate in Switzerland...
I´m pretty sure it doesn´t depend on the driving license, but on where you live.

The 1 year grace period for changing your license has no tax implications.

For example I still physically have my German driving license, although I live in Switzerland and also already have a Swiss license. That doesn´t mean the German license is valid in Switzerland, or that I can use it to drive a car here, let alone a foreign car. I wouldn´t!

There are grace periods for changing numberplates when you move here, during which you can use a foreign car in CH while resident here. But that´s about it...?
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When I'll get the Swiss driver license, they are going to take the Italian one and I can't drive car with foreign plate in Switzerland. I called the transport office in Bellinzona. This is the reason why I'm pretty sure. If the are exemption I don't know.
There is no exemption as it is not forbidden. There is no such law. Or as I said umpteen times: If there is a law which forbids you to drive a foreign plated car with a Swiss license show it. Say Name of the law and article. Here is all Swiss law (in Italian), try your luck: http://www.admin.ch/opc/it/classifie.../national.html

All the law you can find is about importing (a.k.a bringing goods over the border) and the relevant conditions that have to be fullfiled that you do not have to pay tax and duty to use the good within Switzerland.
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

Thanks for the explanations. But let's look at "Art. 35 Eigener Gebrauch von ausländischen Beförderungsmitteln":
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2. Sie kann Personen mit Wohnsitz im Zollgebiet die vorübergehende Verwendung eines ausländischen Beförderungsmittels für den eigenen Gebrauch bewilligen, wenn:a.diese bei einer Person mit Sitz oder Wohnsitz ausserhalb des Zollgebiets angestellt sind und das ihnen zur Verfügung gestellte ausländische Beförderungsmittel ausschliesslich für grenzüberschreitende Beförderungen im dienstlichen Auftrag und für solche zwischen Wohnort und ausländischem Arbeitsort benützen;
If for example I have a company in another country and the car is used most of the time there, but I need to drive it for whatever business reasons in Switzerland, it would be allowed. That's my understanding of this paragraph.
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Thanks for the explanations. But let's look at "Art. 35 Eigener Gebrauch von ausländischen Beförderungsmitteln":
If for example I have a company in another country and the car is used most of the time there, but I need to drive it for whatever business reasons in Switzerland, it would be allowed. That's my understanding of this paragraph.
Yes - emphasis on the last sentence of your quote!

A foreign _company_ car may be used in Switzerland, but only for business purposes, and to move directly between home and the workplace.

In other words: Private usage in Switzerland of that car is not allowed.

I looked into this in pretty great detail. I have a company in Germany and another one in Switzerland, and I live in Switzerland. I was hoping for the "smart" solution to register a car for the German company: Absolute No Go, since I want to use the car here, privately!

Result: Car registered, privately, in Switzerland. :/ At least I now charge 70 Räppli/km to the company, which I can pay with pre-tax income.

I hope this is the best solution?
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

Well, I already have a car with Swiss plates and it's my main one. The other one would be used from time to time for business purposes. To be honest, how can they verify that I'm not on a business trip driving the other car?
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

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You really have to discuss this with Swiss customs. They are the one and only ones authority who can say what goes and does not go considering all your details and circumstances. Maybe they give you an exemption, maybe just case by case (like you have to request a new one for each boarder crossing), or they give you a year long exemption, or thay say "Nein".

But what ever the answer is, please report back.

PS: The border is not the only place where custom checks are done. They can be randomly anywhere.
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

Yes, they can randomly check everywhere, and the police looks into this matter too, not only customs.

How can they know it´s not a business trip? I live in Zürich, my company is in Konstanz. Now if I´m cruising Luzern on the way to Pilates (not exactly on the way between home & office), wife and kid in the car.... How should I convince anyone that this is a business trip?
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Yes, they can randomly check everywhere, and the police looks into this matter too, not only customs.
No, they don't. Sure, they'll check all your documents if they stop you for some reason,, and if you've been here for more than a year they may pass that information onto the customs people, but they won't themselves do anything more about it.
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...they may pass that information onto the customs people, but they won't themselves do anything more about it...
In this case you´ll get the (quite hefty) fine at a later stage, probably from customs. I fail to see the relevance of the difference, although I agree you´re technically correct.

It´s the same as if you say: It´s not so bad when a plane´s engine doesn´t work anymore. You don´t die from that. (Leaving aside the minor detail that you die from the inevitably following impact )
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In this case you´ll get the (quite hefty) fine at a later stage, probably from customs. I fail to see the relevance of the difference, although I agree you´re technically correct.
It's relevant to the discussion of whether it's "illegal" to drive the car or whether it's simply a customs issue.

Your comment could appear to be supporting the former stance, whether intentionally or not
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

Thanks guys. I will contact the customs and report back.
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It's relevant to the discussion of whether it's "illegal" to drive the car or whether it's simply a customs issue....


All points to you

Not "illegal" as in crime, but still heftily expensive and not exactly recommendable. Can we agree on that, or that´s still not the whole picture?
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No, they don't. Sure, they'll check all your documents if they stop you for some reason,, and if you've been here for more than a year they may pass that information onto the customs people, but they won't themselves do anything more about it.
It is simple, if you are not a tourist (or drive the car of a tourist while said tourist is a passenger of said car) you will have to show the customs form which will state the conditions of your tax and duty exemption.

Thats were the foreign license comes into play. If you just show foreign ID and foreign license they may wrongly assume that you are a tourist who has not and does not need to have a customs form if he uses the car for less than a year within Switzerland. But if they check more carefully you are screwed.
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I´m pretty sure it doesn´t depend on the driving license, but on where you live.

The 1 year grace period for changing your license has no tax implications.

For example I still physically have my German driving license, although I live in Switzerland and also already have a Swiss license. That doesn´t mean the German license is valid in Switzerland, or that I can use it to drive a car here, let alone a foreign car. I wouldn´t!

There are grace periods for changing numberplates when you move here, during which you can use a foreign car in CH while resident here. But that´s about it...?
This is strange. On the module is stated that they need the original driver license (this is in Ticino).
https://www4.ti.ch/fileadmin/DI/Form...conducenti.pdf

"Licenza di condurre estera originale"

I found also on this forum:
It is quite an easy process. You can fill the form right there and you give away your Spanish license. Then they will send you the Swiss license by post in few days and the bill (dont remember the amount).

Sorry I don't have the link....just some notes.


This is the link where is stated the law (sorry it's in Italian and I don't have time now to translate it):
http://www.andreaperotti.ch/apps/wor...arga-svizzera/


posso come residente in Italia e con patente Italiana guidare in Italia un’auto con targa Svizzera? -->

Can I drive a swiss car in Italy with Italian driving license and if I live in Italy?
Answer is NO with some exceptions

Also the opposite is valid.
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

Per law they will send back a license which was issued in an EU or EFTA state. Looks like ChrisNeedsToKnow's Strassenverkehrsamt did not know.

For the Italian and Swiss Custom statement. Read it carefully (surprisingly the Italan statement is more clear) it is only a question of importation and possible tax and duty that is due. Neither letter mentions license, but residence and domicile only. Also they do not use the word "drive", rather they use the word "use". Thats because certain usage can be permitted (See Ace1 above).
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Therefore , the use without permission from Customs , by an Italian resident of a car registered in third countries , involves the complaint for smuggling since the act of entering the EU territory , pursuant to art . 216 T.U.L.D. (Presidential Decree of 23 January 1973 n . 43 ), the application of a penalty of two to ten times the customs duties levied on the value of the means of transport ( duty and VAT) and confiscation of the vehicle itself.
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In principle , persons domiciled in Switzerland may not use foreign vehicles in Switzerland .
This applies , for example, also for vehicles that are not owned by them and which have been made ​​available to them by relatives or acquaintances.
Who does not announce his vehicle for the imposition of customs legislation Customs commits an offense punishable by a fine . Moreover, even if the vehicle is not his, will be called upon to pay the customs duties (customs duty, vehicle tax and value added tax ) .
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Can I drive a swiss car in Italy with Italian driving license and if I live in Italy?
Answer is NO with some exceptions
Wrong, the question is: Can I (temporarily) import a foreign transportation vehicle into my country of residence without paying tax? Answer: It depends.

The main problem is that people do not understand what "to import" legally means. From the custom law point of view it generally means bringing any goods over the border.
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

I want to give you an example.
Let's say I live in Switzerland since 2010, I have a B permit, swiss driver license and Swiss car. My parents come from Italy with an Italian car without stop at the customs since they'll stay just a 1 week as tourists.
In this case I can't drive the Italian car.

Do you agree with this?
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I want to give you an example.
Let's say I live in Switzerland since 2010, I have a B permit, swiss driver license and Swiss car. My parents come from Italy with an Italian car without stop at the customs since they'll stay just a 1 week as tourists.
In this case I can't drive the Italian car.

Do you agree with this?
No.

If your mom or dad is with you in the car you can drive it.
(According to Swiss Custom as it is still whithin the conditions of their "tax free import". See one of my previous posting in this thread.)
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I want to give you an example.
Let's say I live in Switzerland since 2010, I have a B permit, swiss driver license and Swiss car. My parents come from Italy with an Italian car without stop at the customs since they'll stay just a 1 week as tourists.
In this case I can't drive the Italian car.

Do you agree with this?
You can drive the car if your parents are with you, since the vehicle is still being used by the tourists, who don't need to import it etc. regardless of who is actually driving it.
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No.

If your mom or dad is with you in the car you can drive it.
(According to Swiss Custom as it is still whithin the conditions of their "tax free import". See one of my previous posting in this thread.)

Ehehe sorry I forgot to add alone

Furthermore I'm not sure when I'll go to Italy if I can drive an Italian car "alone", since I have a Swiss driver license.
The office in Bellinzona told me to do the International driving license...but it sounds strange to me, since the car will stay in Italy.

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Furthermore I'm not sure when I'll go to Italy if I can drive an Italian car "alone", since I have a Swiss driver license.
Should be no problem at all. I've rented cars all over the world with my Swiss licence.Not sure why you even think that there might be some problem.

And no, you don't need the International Licence thing, which is basically a con as it's only valid with your real licence anyway.
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