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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

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before you completely loose your sense of humour, I'd like to point out that I'm perfectly legal in all such matters with the possible exception of trying to avoid a fine by showing foreign licence, although that is debatable:

if i was stopped in the UK i would show a UK licence. I just never have been. If I was stopped in the US I would show a UK licence unless it was in NY state where I hold a licence. not worth the risk. in the US an out of state licence is the same as a foreign licence but the fine / points are never going to be processed because they don't know how and chances are they just let you off. so given a EU and out of state licence, better to show the EU one. similarly, when stopped in the EU (outside the UK) better to show the US licence.

I'm legally resident in both the UK and US. As I took my driving test in both countries I can legally hold both licences - although I wouldn't be able to use the wrong one in the jurisdiction they were issued (UK / NY state).

Living vs Resident - you need to more clear. I spend approximately 50% of my time 'living' in CH - doesn't make me a resident though.



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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

Everyone knows the story of the French dad who came to Switzerland to visit his daughter and her Swiss husband.

His car would not start when he was to go back, so he borrowed his son in laws car to go over the boarder to get jump cables.

The boarder patrol stopped him, and he had to pay CHF 20K in tolls and duty on his son in laws car, because he was French, and driving a Swiss car into France.

Is this true? I doubt it, but it is the story that every person in CH knows, so be careful.
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

International licence is a translation document only. Nothing more nothing less.
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Is this true? I doubt it, but it is the story that every person in CH knows, so be careful.
German man, driving Swiss son-in-law's car into Austria, was reported recently. The fact that you've heard it about a Frenchman seems to suggest it may be an urban myth, but at the time, i.e. just a month or two ago, the news reports seemed quite genuine.
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

well in ticino there were several real cases and the state TV even did a 1 hour documentary on them, interviewing various authorities and stuff and inviting them to a debate.

Basically one guy was driving a swiss car in Italy which he had borrowed from a friend for a wedding.
It got impounded, he was indicted for smuggling, was fired from the military, and is of course still embroiled in the legal system. The car is still impounded of course, after years.
There were other cases like that too.


But we're talking about the italian justice system, absurdity is to be expected.
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...it may be an urban myth, but at the time, i.e. just a month or two ago, the news reports seemed quite genuine...
Itīs not a myth.

If you understand the complete picture the corresponding logic falls into place:
  • Switzerland doesnīt want to lose money from residents not registering their cars locally (a German registration alone would yield most cars tons cheaper than a CH-registration).
  • The following depends only your legal residence, NOT on nationality and/or driving license, and this is only the customs-aspect (not insurance)!
  • If you are resident in CH, you may ONLY drive CH-registered cars inside CH.
  • If you are resident in CH, you may drive all cars, irrespective of registration, outside of CH (except local law says otherwise for other reasons).
  • If a "not-resident-in-CH"-person visits you in CH, they may drive your car in CH.
  • The same person borrowing your CH-registered car, may not drive it in their country of residence (same reason vice-versa, the respective country doesnīt want to lose their vehicle registration tax).
Notes:

  • CH + Liechtenstein is one tax-area in this regard. Each instance of "CH" above should really be "CH+Liechtenstein".
  • Iīm not sure about the EU and if each country counts separately.
  • There are numerous exceptions to above rule, for example concerning company-registered vehicles and rental cars.
  • The insurance is a totally different topic and has nothing to do with this customs-only(!) topic.
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Itīs not a myth.

If you understand the complete picture the corresponding logic falls into place:
  • If you are resident in CH, you may ONLY drive CH-registered cars inside CH.

As long as you declare the car for duty it should be okay.

It's not quite true, you may drive a non registered car IF you OWN the car and have declared and paid relevant import taxes.

This can apply as part of "household contents" and you've owned the vehicle for an amount of time OR you pay duty if under the minimum time frame. Additionally this can be done if you purchase it abroad for import again you must OWN the car.

You will also find insurance a problem on this "foreign" car as a Swiss resident.

To get around this there are specialist insurers OR you can hire a U plate from the strassenvekehrsamt for a few days for the purposes of import and pay the relevant tax either at the border or at inland customs.

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http://www.zg.ch/behoerden/sicherhei...riving-licence

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In addition to obtaining a Swiss driver’s license, newcomers will have to register their cars and get a Swiss registration plate. They can drive their imported car with their foreign plates for a maximum of one year, provided their foreign insurance is extended to Switzerland.


In the case of import after buying abroad you have 30 days on the foreign plate then you're into U plate territory again:-

Nach Ablauf von 30 Tagen seit der Einfuhr darf das Fahrzeug nicht mehr verwendet werden

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http://www.stva.zh.ch/internet/siche...rivEGFORM.html
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...you may drive a non registered car IF you OWN the car and have declared and paid relevant import taxes...
Thatīs another of the
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...numerous exceptions to above rule, for example concerning company-registered vehicles and rental cars...
as a rule-of-thumb, without exceptional circumstances, I hope that what I write is still the case and true. (Otherwise Iīd love to learn, as I donīt want to get into trouble with these complicated (Swiss) rules)

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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

Simple: If you intend to bring goods of any value, and specially of considerable value >500€/$/Ģ/CHF, over the border into the customs area (even temporary) where you have your residence and no tax nor duty was paid in mentioned area on said good. Stop at a manned border crossing, declare goods, value and intention.

Examples of such goods: Your friends computer, photo equipment, jewelry, art, sport equipment (bike, skies, boats, tents etc.), vehicles, and, and, and ...
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Thatīs another of theas a rule-of-thumb, without exceptional circumstances, I hope that what I write is still the case and true. (Otherwise Iīd love to learn, as I donīt want to get into trouble with these complicated (Swiss) rules)

Same rules throughout the EU, you can read it in English on the DVLA site.
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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

Epic thread. Great info.

Just wanted to check whether the rules focus more on having a Swiss license or living in Switzerland? I'm importing a US car, still have a UK license, and want to drive it on US plates for a period of time (max 6 months). It is registered to my "uncle" in the US, and I can get a note to say I have his permission to drive it. Does he need to be present in the vehicle? By living here, am I breaking the law? I do not want to declare it at the border, I want to bring it in as a tourist, like my current UK registered car (which I will sell in 6 months time). And yes, for clarification, I do just want to see what I can get away with.

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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

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Just wanted to check whether the rules focus more on having a Swiss license or living in Switzerland?
Living in Switzerland.

Your license does not matter.

As you live here, you have to declare it.

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Epic thread. Great info.

Just wanted to check whether the rules focus more on having a Swiss license or living in Switzerland? I'm importing a US car, still have a UK license, and want to drive it on US plates for a period of time (max 6 months). It is registered to my "uncle" in the US, and I can get a note to say I have his permission to drive it. Does he need to be present in the vehicle? By living here, am I breaking the law? I do not want to declare it at the border, I want to bring it in as a tourist, like my current UK registered car (which I will sell in 6 months time). And yes, for clarification, I do just want to see what I can get away with.

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1) They are laws
2) They relate to Swiss residents (guess which one you count as??)
3) Get a Swiss licence
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3) Get a Swiss licence
He still has some months for that.

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I've now successfully moved from the UK to Zurich (but not IN the city) and have managed to get a job as a Non-EU which was a bit of a struggle. It's now been 3 months since being here, since 01.05.2014 (love how the Swiss use dots in their dates hey?!)
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E By living here, am I breaking the law? I do not want to declare it at the border, I want to bring it in as a tourist, like my current UK registered car (which I will sell in 6 months time). And yes, for clarification, I do just want to see what I can get away with.

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Lol. Smuggling a car as "tourist" when you could just declare it as part of your moving goods.
Gain: 0CHF
Possible loss: Several thousands CHF for tax, duty, and fines.
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Epic thread. Great info.

Just wanted to check whether the rules focus more on having a Swiss license or living in Switzerland? I'm importing a US car, still have a UK license, and want to drive it on US plates for a period of time (max 6 months). It is registered to my "uncle" in the US, and I can get a note to say I have his permission to drive it. Does he need to be present in the vehicle? By living here, am I breaking the law? I do not want to declare it at the border, I want to bring it in as a tourist, like my current UK registered car (which I will sell in 6 months time). And yes, for clarification, I do just want to see what I can get away with.

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Don't do it.
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Lol. Smuggling a car as "tourist" when you could just declare it as part of your moving goods.
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Be that as it may, moving in a new country can be quite a transition, and during said transition you might need some time to get some things straight. One of those is car(s).

When I first came in, I brought over "my" BMW. I say "my" because as is the case with all the family cars, they're registered to my dad's company (family business). 10 months into my stay here, I just decided with my father that it made much more sense to sell the BMW in Greece and import his old car that was not being used anymore (taxes and my dad not going places and more).
So I drove the bimmer south, brought the other one up here on export plates (fun fact: in Greece if you want to have plates for a week you have to pay for the whole calendar year ) and imported it.

Yes importation is quite straight forward and the customs people are quite friendly and helpful (I speak for the Como border and for the Zurich office in Europabrucke that I have experience with). But some people need the time to realise what they're going to do with the cars they currently have, and straighten out whatever other thing they have.

If there is a provision in the law giving them time, why shouldn't they try to ask around and see what are their options?
Especially if they have to re-import the car when they decide to send it back home for [insert random reason here].

And yes there is the option of temporary swiss plates that require no import tax to be paid (Z plates) as below:


With these you can run the car in Switzerland without actually importing it. From what I understood with a short talk at the customs office and STVA they're issued when someone can say that he doesn't know if he will stay here indefinitely (student, worker on limited contract etc) but more than a year. He doesn't have to import the car, but he has to pass MFK etc.
During that time your original plates are on hold and the issuing authority (your country's equivalent of the STVA) will be notified to suspend any charges for tax etc.


While a good option for abiding by the law and keeping your car non-imported so you can sell it back home without having to repatriate it, MFK et al can be quite an expensive ordeal for many folks that don't know/care/have time.


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Re: Driving a car with foreign plate with Swiss Driving License in Switzerland

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Epic thread. Great info.

Just wanted to check whether the rules focus more on having a Swiss license or living in Switzerland? I'm importing a US car, still have a UK license, and want to drive it on US plates for a period of time (max 6 months). It is registered to my "uncle" in the US, and I can get a note to say I have his permission to drive it. Does he need to be present in the vehicle? By living here, am I breaking the law? I do not want to declare it at the border, I want to bring it in as a tourist, like my current UK registered car (which I will sell in 6 months time). And yes, for clarification, I do just want to see what I can get away with.

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Oh Dear. While your perfectly reasonable question my be fine to ask anywhere else on the internet, I'm afraid you'll find freedom of speech is not a value subscribed to on by the zealots on this forum. I fear the EF SS will crack down on you.

To help you out - your biggest problem would be the fact its a US car. How are you going to get it into Europe? will it be staying or returning? how long do you have to arrange this? is it an a newer car or a classic? if its going to stay, the best way is for someone moving from the US to europe (ideally the UK) to own it for 6 months in the US and then bring it into the UK as part of their person possessions. If it's newer you need to deal with the SVA conformance (not easy). This person needs to keep the car in their name for 1 year to avoid duty. It'll be hard to drive a US registered car anywhere in Europe without locally registering it, which can't be done with all the above or paying substantial duty on it. All this is before you even reach the question of driving it in switzerland. Lots for you to think about. Much as I'd love provide you with a solution - it'll be hard.
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I'm importing a US car, still have a UK license, and want to drive it on US plates for a period of time (max 6 months). It is registered to my "uncle" in the US, and I can get a note to say I have his permission to drive it.
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If your "uncle" is a relative and willing to leave you the car, you could declare it as an inheritated good.


Costs: some 20 franks.
Problem: Your relative has to be with you at the custom's for an inheritance declaration (they have the forms for this).
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If your "uncle" is a relative and willing to leave you the car, you could declare it as an inheritated good.


Costs: some 20 franks.
Problem: Your relative has to be with you at the custom's for an inheritance declaration (they have the forms for this).
Here the details:
http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_pri...x.html?lang=en
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