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Old 09.12.2013, 13:25
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Re: 0.1% promille alcohol limit

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They were stopping everyone going into and out of Basel and breathalysing them, on one road last Saturday night.
Whereabouts? Just interested, like...

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I scored 0.0. I presume 0.1 means "0.1 on the approved, correctly calibrated test".
Yea, but don't forget that your 0.0 could have been 0.0499 or even 0.0999 depending on how they round these things. That's why setting it a t a genuine absolute 0.0000(rec) would not be practical.
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Old 09.12.2013, 13:42
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Re: 0.1% promille alcohol limit

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Anyway, no, one beer does not 'equal' .3 . The amount and type of alcohol drunk will not correlate consistently to a specific blood alcohol level even in the same individual, let alone different people. For a start, most males will have a much lower level than females after the same intake, and there are a whole host of other factors at work.
It has been some time since I went to driving school, but where I am from does a beer not come in pints - alcoholic drinks are served in different glasses depending on the strength of the drink. The amount of alcohol in a 0.3 glass of beer is roughly the same as in the .2 litre glass of Riesling or the shot of Jaegermeister. That's why at least when I was in driving school the message was "one drink of either kind is ok". No, this did not take 10l buckets of Sangria into account... or Belgian triples.


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Also, you haven't defined how much 'one beer' is, nor the strength thereof. In the UK with a limit of 0.8 I used to reckon that three pints (~1.5l) at ~4.3% abv over the course of an evening was 'safe' for me (having been tested only a couple of times but being well below the allowed level). But not necessarily for everyone.
Since it was in the UK did you probably had a lot of fat food with it which blocks alcohol from entering the body... and I learned that the body reduces the blood alcohol by about 0.1 per hour - so it makes a massive difference if you down three pints and drive or if you drink them over an evening of four hours... I'd bet that drinking three pints quickly will get you over 0.8 and is definitely not safe to drive with even if you are a huge guy...

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Old 09.12.2013, 13:56
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Also, you haven't defined how much 'one beer' is, nor the strength thereof. In the UK with a limit of 0.8 I used to reckon that three pints (~1.5l) at ~4.3% abv over the course of an evening was 'safe' for me (having been tested only a couple of times but being well below the allowed level). But not necessarily for everyone.
Since it was in the UK did you probably had a lot of fat food with it which blocks alcohol from entering the body...
Wha? Is this just racial stereotyping? What on earth makes you think that everyone in the UK east high-fat diets?

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and I learned that the body reduces the blood alcohol by about 0.1 per hour - so it makes a massive difference if you down three pints and drive or if you drink them over an evening of four hours... I'd bet that drinking three pints quickly will get you over 0.8 and is definitely not safe to drive with even if you are a huge guy...
Quite possibly. But even then one thin guy might be under the limit and one fat guy over it. It's not so simple as all that.
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Actually it is zero that makes no sense. Your body permanently has a very small level of alchol in it from the action of natural yeasts on sugars in your body. Zero is never possible.
I'll drink to that

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Old 09.12.2013, 17:43
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Re: 0.1% promille alcohol limit

The following can raise your blood alcohol level without drinking:

- reflux disease
- mouth wash
- eating chocolate on an empty stomach
- lithium
- sinus medications
- kefir (this indeed is a known dairy product to contain alcohol, however you won't notice it when consuming)
- Panadol, Tylenol, Percocet, Benadryl, Vicodin

So I'm guessing the 0.1 is for these. And hangovers.
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Old 09.12.2013, 17:51
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Exactly.

Personally I test at about 0.4 after 2 Weizen (0.5l each, ~5%abv)
under 0.5 after 5 x 500ml Feldschlossen

all in the name of science to prove it really is Swiss Piss
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Re: 0.1% promille alcohol limit

Have access to a fully calibrated breathalyser. .. 3 cans of swiss piss had me at 0.83 1 hour start to finish and all important 20 min waiting time since last drink.

Just shows how different bodies process alcohol or the accuracy of the tester machine.
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Old 09.12.2013, 19:15
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Have access to a fully calibrated breathalyser. .. 3 cans of swiss piss had me at 0.83 1 hour start to finish and all important 20 min waiting time since last drink.

Just shows how different bodies process alcohol or the accuracy of the tester machine.
I assume the police one I used was calibrated

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Old 09.12.2013, 19:31
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Re: 0.1% promille alcohol limit

Haha .... we had an evening like something out of superbad.
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Old 09.12.2013, 19:44
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Whereabouts? Just interested, like...
Just near Zoo tramstop (no. 10/17).

I actually failed the first breath test. I ran out of puff.
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Old 22.07.2015, 10:32
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Just near Zoo tramstop (no. 10/17).

I actually failed the first breath test. I ran out of puff.
What is the actual drink drive limit in Switzerland? I did get breatherlised last night coming home after a meet up, I was fine but I wondered what tthe linit is these days, since I think it has changed in the last few years and there appears to be conflicting information on the net.
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Old 22.07.2015, 10:57
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Re: 0.1% promille alcohol limit

0.01% for student drivers, driving instructors (also private), new drivers with provisional license (have a date instead of stars on item 4b of driving license), dangerous goods drivers, lorry, bus, taxi, and coach drivers.

Art. 2a VRV
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a2a

0.05% for other motor drivers.
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...101/index.html

0.08% for horse and bicycle riders. (Because Art. 16a Abs. 1 Lit. b SVG does only apply to motor drivers)

All of the above is limits are only legal when you do not infringe any traffic laws and you are not involved in an accident.

Applicable is the alcohol concentration in the blood.
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Old 22.07.2015, 11:01
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Re: 0.1% promille alcohol limit

www.ch.ch should be kept up to date and this is the page on Alcohol in Road Traffic and Navigation.
It varies (just for once not by Parish or Canton) but

From 1 January 2014 professional drivers, new drivers, learner drivers, driving instructors and persons accompanying learner drivers may not be under the influence of alcohol (>0.10 mg/ml).

For 'normal mortals' check the above link.


Edit aSwissInTheUS is faster then I am but my links are in English (an official Swiss Site though) and anyway, mine look prettier! ;-)

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Old 22.07.2015, 12:34
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www.ch.ch should be kept up to date and this is the page on Alcohol in Road Traffic and Navigation.
It varies (just for once not by Parish or Canton) but

From 1 January 2014 professional drivers, new drivers, learner drivers, driving instructors and persons accompanying learner drivers may not be under the influence of alcohol (>0.10 mg/ml).

For 'normal mortals' check the above link.


Edit aSwissInTheUS is faster then I am but my links are in English (an official Swiss Site though) and anyway, mine look prettier! ;-)
About "persons accompanying learner drivers"; that is a bit severe & did not know that - ruins one of my plan B for getting home from the bar. 😅
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Old 22.07.2015, 13:15
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For new drivers it is 0%
What does 0% mean?

Where does the error of measurement come in.

Aren't there trace levels of ethanol in blood as a result of the normal metabolositic process. So to have a true 0% you might need to be dead (which wouldn't work either as decay also produces alcohol).
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Old 22.07.2015, 13:57
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What does 0% mean?
It is not now, nor has it ever been, 0.0% for new drivers.

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Old 22.07.2015, 14:09
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Re: 0.1% promille alcohol limit

OK you win:

From 1 January 2014 professional drivers, new drivers, learner drivers, driving instructors and persons accompanying learner drivers may not be under the influence of alcohol (>0.10 mg/ml).
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It is not now, nor has it ever been, 0.0% for new drivers.

Tom
All the publicity posters at the time had 'zero pro mille' in huge letters on them ( and 0.1% in tiny writing) which probably confused people a bit.
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Old 22.07.2015, 15:03
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All the publicity posters at the time had 'zero pro mille' in huge letters on them ( and 0.1% in tiny writing) which probably confused people a bit.
Especially seeing they'd alread imbibed a bit more by then and weren't sure whether they were seeing the zeroes double.
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Re: 0.1% promille alcohol limit

0.0 would be prone to false positives.
E.g. eat a (very ripe) banana and be > 0.0
Or a piece of cake (like Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte), where the filling contains a bit of alcohol (not as much as Zuger Kirschtorte, though).
Almost all meds that come in liquid form contain alcohol (usually as a preservative).
So, 0.0 would be just BS.
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