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Old 08.12.2013, 14:23
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0.1% promille alcohol limit

There was a proposal earlier this year to reduce the 0.5% promille alcohol limit to 0.1% promille alcohol limit from 1st Jan 2014 for all drivers..


So far as I know (from Googling) this was changed so only new drivers will have this limit. It does not seem to be well publicised so many people think it is still for all drivers.


Does anybody know the facts from a proper source?
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Darn, I thought I was posting in the Transport forum - & I did not yet even have 1%
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Old 08.12.2013, 19:28
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darn, i thought i was posting in the transport forum - & i did not yet even have 1%
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Re: 0.1% promille alcohol limit

For new drivers it is 0%
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For new drivers it is 0%
Like in the communist countries before wall fall. The sarcastic sentence "it was not all bad" gets a new meaning.
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Old 08.12.2013, 19:55
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Like in the communist countries before wall fall. The sarcastic sentence "it was not all bad" gets a new meaning.
Some still have a zero percent amount, Romania included
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There was a proposal earlier this year to reduce the 0.5% promille alcohol limit to 0.1% promille alcohol limit from 1st Jan 2014 for all drivers..
If I remember correctly does one beer equal approx. 0.3 promille. The idea of 0.5 was not to be able to drink one and two thirds of the second beer, but to give enough buffer that one beer is ok weather or not it's 0.3 litre or 0.4 and even if you are a bit smaller than average as the blood alcohol depends a lot on individual physical condition.

0.1 promille does not make any sense... "one sip of beer"? Then just make it zero, end of story.
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If I remember correctly does one beer equal approx. 0.3 promille. The idea of 0.5 was not to be able to drink one and two thirds of the second beer, but to give enough buffer that one beer is ok weather or not it's 0.3 litre or 0.4 and even if you are a bit smaller than average as the blood alcohol depends a lot on individual physical condition.

0.1 promille does not make any sense... "one sip of beer"? Then just make it zero, end of story.
Probably more for driving after the night before?
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If I remember correctly does one beer equal approx. 0.3 promille. The idea of 0.5 was not to be able to drink one and two thirds of the second beer, but to give enough buffer that one beer is ok weather or not it's 0.3 litre or 0.4 and even if you are a bit smaller than average as the blood alcohol depends a lot on individual physical condition.

0.1 promille does not make any sense... "one sip of beer"? Then just make it zero, end of story.
Actually it is zero that makes no sense. Your body permanently has a very small level of alchol in it from the action of natural yeasts on sugars in your body. Zero is never possible.
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Old 09.12.2013, 09:31
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Re: 0.1% promille alcohol limit

You need to read a local language:
http://www.astra.admin.ch/themen/ver...x.html?lang=de

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Das Fahren unter Alkoholeinfluss (≥ 0,10 Promille) ist verboten für:
Berufschauffeure (Lastwagen, Car, Gefahrguttransport)
Neulenkende (Inhaber Führerausweis auf Probe)
Fahrschüler und -schülerinnen - Fahrlehrer und -lehrerinnen
Begleitpersonen von Lernfahrten
From 1st Janauary 2014, 0.1% applies to:
People who drive for a living
New drivers
Learners and instructors
Those accompanying a learner

There you go. It's true.
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Old 09.12.2013, 10:11
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Re: 0.1% promille alcohol limit

0,1% means no alchohol - it just about covers the residue from the night before.
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Re: 0.1% promille alcohol limit

Its been Zero BAC for Learner and Provisional drivers in NSW (Australia) for years now..

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/licensing/...l_licence.html

The penalties are strict and random testing is done all the time. Every Friday and Saturday night, even Sunday mornings, you'll see a random breath testing unit set up somewhere.
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Actually it is zero that makes no sense. Your body permanently has a very small level of alchol in it from the action of natural yeasts on sugars in your body. Zero is never possible.

Indeed.
Even ripe bananas contain enough alcohol to put you above 0.0.
Or eating a cake that contains a bit of alcohol.

That's why it's 0.1 - 0.0 would generate way too many false positives - especially when measuring alcohol from breath, instead of blood-alcohol.
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Re: 0.1% promille alcohol limit

Sorry but... What is exactly "promille"?

I'm used to grams of alcohol per blood litre or milligrams of alcohol per exhaled air litre. Is it one of those or is is another measure?

Last edited by kjohnny; 09.12.2013 at 11:55. Reason: Fixed mistake milligram > gram
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Indeed.
Even ripe bananas contain enough alcohol to put you above 0.0.
Or eating a cake that contains a bit of alcohol.

That's why it's 0.1 - 0.0 would generate way too many false positives - especially when measuring alcohol from breath, instead of blood-alcohol.
Yes, but you can always allow some tolerance in the testing. The point of the zero rule is to remove the whole case of questioning what would "fit" under that 0.x rule. You simply can not consume alcohol, period. Its clear and theres no ambiguity. Yes, eating a cake with alcohol in it would put you over. Just as it might if the rule was 0.5 and you had one beer, and ate the cake.
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Re: 0.1% promille alcohol limit

Per mil is like percent but with 1000 instead of 100.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_mil

Promille I think is the German version
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promille
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Per mil is like percent but with 1000 instead of 100
Thank you! Same as grams/Litre then, so I guess you are all referring to blood (or, I hope!).
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Re: 0.1% promille alcohol limit

When will they be taking down all the 'ein glass ist okay' signs which I see everywhere??


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If I remember correctly does one beer equal approx. 0.3 promille.
Is that a question? Or just a word order issue?

Anyway, no, one beer does not 'equal' .3 . The amount and type of alcohol drunk will not correlate consistently to a specific blood alcohol level even in the same individual, let alone different people. For a start, most males will have a much lower level than females after the same intake, and there are a whole host of other factors at work.

Also, you haven't defined how much 'one beer' is, nor the strength thereof. In the UK with a limit of 0.8 I used to reckon that three pints (~1.5l) at ~4.3% abv over the course of an evening was 'safe' for me (having been tested only a couple of times but being well below the allowed level). But not necessarily for everyone.
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0.1 promille does not make any sense... "one sip of beer"? Then just make it zero, end of story.
I think what it would be trying to do, not that I think it will happen, would be to stop people trying to do the sums such as I describe above. 0.1 would effectively mean that any alcoholic drink would be too much, so would actually equate to a 'zero' level of consumption.

Setting it at a genuine zero would be impossible, as there's a certain amount, very low but still detectable, of natural alcohol in other foods and in the body itself, so most people would be over that limit without even drinking. 0.1 would be a sensible level to distinguish those who had actually had a drink from those who had not.
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Anyway, no, one beer does not 'equal' .3 . The amount and type of alcohol drunk will not correlate consistently to a specific blood alcohol level even in the same individual, let alone different people. For a start, most males will have a much lower level than females after the same intake, and there are a whole host of other factors at work.

Also, you haven't defined how much 'one beer' is, nor the strength thereof. In the UK with a limit of 0.8 I used to reckon that three pints (~1.5l) at ~4.3% abv over the course of an evening was 'safe' for me (having been tested only a couple of times but being well below the allowed level). But not necessarily for everyone..
Exactly.

Personally I test at about 0.4 after 2 Weizen (0.5l each, ~5%abv)
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Actually it is zero that makes no sense. Your body permanently has a very small level of alchol in it from the action of natural yeasts on sugars in your body. Zero is never possible.
They were stopping everyone going into and out of Basel and breathalysing them, on one road last Saturday night. I scored 0.0. I presume 0.1 means "0.1 on the approved, correctly calibrated test".

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In the UK with a limit of 0.8 I used to reckon that three pints (~1.5l) at ~4.3% abv over the course of an evening was 'safe' for me (having been tested only a couple of times but being well below the allowed level). But not necessarily for everyone...
I don't like to drive even after 1 pint - I know my reactions are way down, even if I'm well under the limit. (This is not being judgemental, just my own preference).
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