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Drivers license form dilemma

I was taken to the hospital for alcohol intoxication 2 years ago in Swiss after a party where I slept it off. Do I need to mention this on the Drivers license form when they ask me whether I am addicted (toxicomanie) to anything (because I saw they had put me for "alcohol abuse/intoxication) in the hospital (i think because i only saw the sheet upside down) though they never mentioned the diagnosis in the invoice and nor did they tell me. However when I get my license exchanged I am warned not to lie or withhold relevant info.

I need to get my [home country] license changed, if I did check no for the toxicomanie, is there anyway they could accuse me of lying. I am nowhere close to being addicted to alcohol but I am scared they might do a background check at the hospitals here and accuse me of lying on an official document. When I asked my instructor here, he just told me that toxicomanie means addiction. Even if I was put under addiction at the hospital, I am nowhere close being an addict by any medical definition.

I have no intention of lying to anyone and before anyone else says it, yes i know i was stupid to get that drunk and land up in medical care with other idiots in the ER.

I have no DUIs back home or anywhere else or here or any other criminal history.

What should I do. Should I just put it no and be careful not ever drink and drive (which fyii i have never done and would NEVER do as a matter of principle even after one beer)

My only reservation in putting it in the form is that I will be an official alcohol abuser in an official govt document. YIKES!

My gut tells me go just go with the flow and answer the questions factually. I am no addict and one or two off incident, no matter what the diagnosis can classify me as one.

But I do want to hear whether others here have had similar experiences. Or am the only one!


Kindly advice me and be nice please. No rude or derogatory comments please

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Old 10.04.2014, 00:18
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Re: Drivers license form dilemma

It asks if you are addicted, not if you have ever been drunk. Hell not many people would be driving if it meant that.

Are you an alcoholic? If not then say nothing. they are not going to go searching for your medical records.
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Do I need to mention this on the Drivers license form when they ask me whether I am addicted (toxicomanie) to anything (because I saw they had put me for "alcohol abuse/intoxication) in the hospital ?
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I am scared they might do a background check at the hospitals here and accuse me of lying on an official document.
Oh, come on. You can't be serious. And April 1st was over a week ago.
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Or am the only one!
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Kindly advice me and be nice please. No rude or derogatory comments please
Too late. Sorry.
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There are also,social services for this type for help. We have one in our, local town . I would assume you can get a referral from your doctor.
Interesting post but doesn't going to a doctor specifically for this bring up the problem of public acceptability?

I got really drunk at a party couple of years ago and was shipped off to the ER where I slept it off.
I am still wondering whether I should declare it to the Road Authorities even though that was years ago. I am curious as to how people who go to rehab manage. Do they declare to the authorities or keep that information private?
In such cases what would be the repercussions if the person is indeed cured?
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Interesting post but doesn't going to a doctor specifically for this bring up the problem of public acceptability?

I got really drunk at a party couple of years ago and was shipped off to the ER where I slept it off.
I am still wondering whether I should declare it to the Road Authorities even though that was years ago. I am curious as to how people who go to rehab manage. Do they declare to the authorities or keep that information private?
In such cases what would be the repercussions if the person is indeed cured?
Why would any of these things need 'declaring'? And to whom would you declare them?
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Re: English Speaking Al-Anon Meetings in BASEL, ZUERICH and LAUSANNE

Hi,
I know this post is a bit old but I was wondering whether the fact that one attends AA has to be declared to the Road Transport Authorities when applying for a license. There is a self certification form asking for this information including whether the person has been to rehab.

Personally, I haven't been to rehab but I did get drunk once and end up in ER. Do I have to tell them this?
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I know this post is a bit old but I was wondering whether the fact that one attends AA has to be declared to the Road Transport Authorities when applying for a license. There is a self certification form asking for this information including whether the person has been to rehab.

Personally, I haven't been to rehab but I did get drunk once and end up in ER. Do I have to tell them this?
I once got demerol in the hospital before my appendix burst.

Neither of these incidents need to be reported.

Also, AA is not rehab, neither is it evidence-based, it's a faith-based "recovery program" and an anonymous one at that.
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I got really drunk at a party couple of years ago and was shipped off to the ER where I slept it off. ...
I'm sure this is on the "things you must do at least once in your life".
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Re: English Speaking Al-Anon Meetings in BASEL, ZUERICH and LAUSANNE

Here you said you got drunk twice Deletion of health records and ended up in ER.

Here it looks like you've already asked this question last year. Drivers license form dilemma
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Re: English Speaking Al-Anon Meetings in BASEL, ZUERICH and LAUSANNE

Yes, but there was no clear answer.
I know that professional drivers are required to give their medical information for the last ten years including emergencies due to alcohol and other drugs.
As the form clearly states the penalties for lying (imprisonment and fine along with revocation).
I wouldn't want such legal problems 20-40 years down the line because the authorities think I "lied".
I know quite a few drunk students end up in ER and I just want to know go they got around this. As such I know the doctor will not give out information about their patient unless something with the problem was eventually caught driving drunk.
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I once got demerol in the hospital before my appendix burst.

Neither of these incidents need to be reported.

Also, AA is not rehab, neither is it evidence-based, it's a faith-based "recovery program" and an anonymous one at that.
Thanks for the post but I am not sure I understand. Appendix bursting is not in your control and obviously you don't have to declare it. However, if you mean you have a demerol overdose incident, how can you avoid declaring it?
Would they not hold this against you, if they found out?
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I know that professional drivers are required to give their medical information for the last ten years including emergencies due to alcohol and other drugs.
Are you, or are you not, a professional driver?

You seem pretty obsessed about this, and quite keen to tell random groups of strangers on the internet all about it too, but it would seem obvious to most casual readers that if there were any requirement to report such things we'd all know about it, yourself included.

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However, if you mean you have a demerol overdose incident, how can you avoid declaring it?
Would they not hold this against you, if they found out?
Who is this mysterious "They" you refer to?

Is this actually the problem that you're skirting around, that you believe there's a big brother watching out for every misdeed who you need to keep up to date? That's usually called "paranoia".
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Re: Drivers license form dilemma

The form asks http://www.stva.zh.ch/internet/siche...AUSLUM1306.pdf:
- Have you ever been in a professional rehab institution (Alcohol)?
- Have you ever been in a detox program (Drugs)?
- Do or did you have addictions (Alcohol, illegal or legal Drugs, Medications)?

A one time event does not fit any of the above descriptions.
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Re: Drivers license form dilemma

What's complicated about this?

You say the question is "are you addicted?" - so answer yes or no.

Getting hammered and going to hospital (once) is not addiction; addiction is having a compulsion to drink, that has significant physical and emotional impact.

If you answer yes, I assume there are some implications like more checks.

If you answer no, and actually are, I don't suppose they do anything but it would probably be held against you if you ever did have an alcohol related incident while driving.
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What's complicated about this?

You say the question is "are you addicted?" - so answer yes or no.

Getting hammered and going to hospital (once) is not addiction; addiction is having a compulsion to drink, that has significant physical and emotional impact.

If you answer yes, I assume there are some implications like more checks.

If you answer no, and actually are, I don't suppose they do anything but it would probably be held against you if you ever did have an alcohol related incident while driving.
I suspect there is more to the story than meets the eye, the info he provides does not match what he wrote before.

I think he is being economical with the truth, so in all probability this has happened multiple times & he has had profession help of some sort.
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As such I know the doctor will not give out information about their patient unless something with the problem was eventually caught driving drunk.
Partially wrong. If a doctor has knowledge that a person is unfit to drive (physical disability, mental or neurological problem, substance or alcohol abuse) then he may inform the relevant authorities.

https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...ndex.html#a15d
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Partially wrong. If a doctor has knowledge that a person is unfit to drive (physical disability, mental or neurological problem, substance or alcohol abuse) then he may inform the relevant authorities.

https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...ndex.html#a15d
Yes, I am aware of this. But even in this case, it has to fit a certain criteria of repeated abuse within a time frame and the doctor would be required to inform the patient beforehand.
I would like to thank you all for your replies. I really appreciate you taking out the time and before anymore backlash would like to again reiterate that I have not received any "professional help".
From the looks from this, I may as well consider postponing getting my license.
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Yes, I am aware of this. But even in this case, it has to fit a certain criteria of repeated abuse within a time frame and the doctor would be required to inform the patient beforehand.
I would like to thank you all for your replies. I really appreciate you taking out the time and before anymore backlash would like to again reiterate that I have not received any "professional help".
From the looks from this, I may as well consider postponing getting my license.
Thanks for the groan, perhaps you should get professional help.
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Thanks for the groan, perhaps you should get professional help.
Don't take it so personally and please don't get personal.

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