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Eh... Why is this car cheap as chips?

Am I missing something here?
Crazy emissions tax or similar?

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Old 01.11.2014, 08:12
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Re: Eh... Why is this car cheap as chips?

Or a scammer?
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Re: Eh... Why is this car cheap as chips?

I really don't get that feeling from the ad or the vendor's website SweetPea.

I guess the running costs are high for the car which make it less desirable, perhaps.
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Re: Eh... Why is this car cheap as chips?

expensive hifi problem? Is the hifi linked into other key functions of the car?
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Re: Eh... Why is this car cheap as chips?

It is the approximate value of the vehicle given the age and kilometers. Additionally it might have a shady past as in a few owners and unknown accidents. The yearly tax is appox 1400chf

http://www.kbb.com/porsche/cayenne/2...=private-party


Some important factors to consider: high power vehicles require expensive service. Porsche service is very expensive!!!
over 100k KM you will have to perform some extremely expensive services especially if the car has been abused.
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Old 01.11.2014, 08:57
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Re: Eh... Why is this car cheap as chips?

The dealer is selling it "im Auftrag" which means that he is only the middleman between the real seller and you. This may affect your rights if anything goes wrong.
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Re: Eh... Why is this car cheap as chips?

Not only is it a small dealer but he is also distancing from the deal by selling as middle man. red flags!
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Old 01.11.2014, 09:43
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... Turns & walks away.

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You gave up easily. You do know that you can take some risk out of the deal by having a test done by the TCS. (German) http://www.tcs.ch/de/der-club/meine-...l/volltest.php . For TCS members, it costs CHF220.- otherwise CHF330.-. If the seller is serious, he may even agree to have it tested at his expense before you commit yourself.
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Some important factors to consider: high power vehicles require expensive service. Porsche service is very expensive!!!
over 100k KM you will have to perform some extremely expensive services especially if the car has been abused.
or have a different perspective: the car is about as expensive as the yearly depreciation of a BMW 5 series. Have it checked and if it is good, drive it without maintenance until it gives up.
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or have a different perspective: the car is about as expensive as the yearly depreciation of a BMW 5 series. Have it checked and if it is good, drive it without maintenance until it gives up.
as cheap as the yearly depreciation of a new 100k chf car.
the lesson here is: Switzerland is not car friendly and especially not friendly for heavy big engine cars.

Use public transportation and you will save money.
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Re: Eh... Why is this car cheap as chips?

I don't see the point of buying cars like this (old, high mileage, formerly expensive). There is simply no way to run them on a budget after 100k km. The clutch goes? Bang, 4k CHF out the window. The brakes need replacement? Another 4k. The engine develops issues. Oooh, there's no telling there, but it is not unlikely to have to declare the car totalled. The yearly costs of running an almost 10 year old car like that are going to be half the purchase price.

Sure, you can get ownership of a formerly expensive car for (relative) peanuts, but as bigfujitsu pointed it out, service and maintenance is going to be hilariously expensive. I'd say, if you can't afford to pay at least 60k-100k for a car like this, you can't afford it for 16k either.

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Old 01.11.2014, 12:18
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I thought front side indicators were usually clear on Cayenne. These ones are a different colour. Is it a US import?
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as cheap as the yearly depreciation of a new 100k chf car.
the lesson here is: Switzerland is not car friendly and especially not friendly for heavy big engine cars.

Use public transportation and you will save money.
Haha sure You will SAVE Buy good, reliable and economical car and only then you will save money. Especially if you have wife/husband and children. Trains are very expensive in this country as per kilometer travelled.

Additionally, I was told that the Swiss dislike beige/brown leather in cars and that brings the price even lower
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as cheap as the yearly depreciation of a new 100k chf car.
the lesson here is: Switzerland is not car friendly and especially not friendly for heavy big engine cars.

Use public transportation and you will save money.
Well I suppose we could also eat rammen noodles for ever and also save money. Or rice crisps or cardboard (which is essentially the same thing).



Back to the topic though, the car is cheap because if someone wants a Cayenne they probably would like to have a bitchin' (lol) stereo and impress the ladies that are impressed with that sort of thing. Also 100k Km on a 2006 Cayenne at that price is kinda hard to believe.


And as a final note. Cars are expensive to maintain but can be much cheaper. Anyone paying 4k for brake jobs in cars with RSP of less than 150k needs to rethink where he's servicing his car...
And to pay 4k for a clutch, I think you're looking at Ferrari F1 gearboxes and Maserati Cambiocorsas or that awful thing Aston was doing before they got some sense into them and put a slushbox in the DB9.


I know for a fact that many consumables for a BMW 7 series are same price or even cheaper than the ones for a VW Golf. Dealer prices in Greece circa 2010-12. Pads for a 4pot front caliper 240EUR per set installed at the dealer, full brake job with OEM parts (discs, pads, sensors) from the US 600USD incl importation and shipping costs. Labour is ridiculously easy. 5 nuts for the wheel, a pin to remove the pads from the caliper, two hex screws to get the caliper of the upright, and one small hex to align the disc on the hub. 30min max per wheel.

Yes a new car under warranty will be a relatively safe choice, but an old car with little to no depreciation left can be a very good choice. Consumables, servicing, parts, etc, it's up to the owner's appetite for cost or what they think is right.

If we're talking exotics it's a different ball game, but I wouldn't count a Cayenne or any Porsche (bar some very specific ones) as exotics. They're in the same ballpark as BMW/Merc/Audi, but just don't offer all the base trims the others do. And being the Apple of automotive world, they can get away with getting a 15%+ margin...
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Use public transportation and you will save money.
Walk everywhere and you'll save even more. But is that the point? Cars open up new frontiers and frankly are fun to drive. Not everyone buys a car with the objective to save as much money as possible on running costs. Some people actually enjoy car ownership and many like to drive luxury cars. So what if it costs CHF 5k p.a. in repairs? That's a total of CHF 41k (including acquisition cost) over 5 years (fuel and regular servicing are on top of this). How much would you lose buying a new car for CHF 120k and running it for 5 years?

That said, a Cayenne is about the last car I'd ever buy. Well, maybe before a VW up!
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So there is a recurring theme in this thread regarding the stereo in this contraption, is it a super duper or super cr@p stereo, what's the story?
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So there is a recurring theme in this thread regarding the stereo in this contraption, is it a super duper or super cr@p stereo, what's the story?
It looks standard to me.

That interior ... do you actually like beige on black?
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Haha sure You will SAVE Buy good, reliable and economical car and only then you will save money. Especially if you have wife/husband and children. Trains are very expensive in this country as per kilometer travelled.

Additionally, I was told that the Swiss dislike beige/brown leather in cars and that brings the price even lower
Price of parking
parking and speeding fines
gas prices
insurance
annual road tax
maintenance and service
tires /summer and winter
price of inspection
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price of car

or you can just buy a train abo and get there faster and cheaper and in style .
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I thought front side indicators were usually clear on Cayenne. These ones are a different colour. Is it a US import?
that is a good point! usually US imports have yellow turn signals and reflectors. my former girlfriend, a bmw sales-rep used to point that out on the highway while driving "look that BMW x6 has yellow turn signals, its a US import" good catch!
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