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We can only guess what is being used. A forward facing car seat usually isn't called a booster seat, and you'd be shocked how many DO use a booster seat early on. The stage 2 you mention above is 9 months + that means putting a 9 month old forward facing, which means in an accident this is very unsafe. They are trying to change this as a 9 month old just hasn't the neck strength to be forward facing.
Yes we can only guess but the OP is from the UK so I think it's a pretty safe bet to be honest.
Many of the forward facing 5 point harness car seats for the 9 month-4 year age range are actually referred to as booster seats in the UK these days.

The stage 2 seat says from 9 months but it doesn't mean it has to be used from 9 months ( there are weight guidelines anyway) and it's up to the parents at what age they start using them with their babies.

We had a car seat that could be either rear or forward facing so we used it as rear facing initially when he graduated from the maxi cosy style ( which he did relatively early as he was a big boy) and turned it to forward facing when he got older. Being a tall boy it wasn't practical to have it rear facing once he got past about three as it was too uncomfortable for his legs.
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We had a car seat that could be either rear or forward facing so we used it as rear facing initially when he graduated from the maxi cosy style ( which he did relatively early as he was a big boy) and turned it to forward facing when he got older. Being a tall boy it wasn't practical to have it rear facing once he got past about three as it was too uncomfortable for his legs.

You can be 7 and rear facing, the legs are fine and in an accident a broken leg is better than a broken neck. Just some of the mis info that is floating around.
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You can be 7 and rear facing, the legs are fine and in an accident a broken leg is better than a broken neck. Just some of the mis info that is floating around.
Why not just put the child in the fridge to keep it fresh whilst you drive around ?

I can't imagine anything worse for the child to have to look at the back of a seat for whatever journey. Do you waterboard it too ?

If indeed rear facers were so much better, you really don't think they would stop selling anything else ?
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Why not just put the child in the fridge to keep it fresh whilst you drive around ?

I can't imagine anything worse for the child to have to look at the back of a seat for whatever journey. Do you waterboard it too ?

If indeed rear facers were so much better, you really don't think they would stop selling anything else ?



Actually my kid outgrew the seat, that is why we switched, but no there was no complaints, actually more front facing due to dangling legs!

And rear facing is safer for adults too, just no one wants it so they dont put the seats in that in cars. Hard to argue with physics.

Ask a parent who lost a child in a car accident if they would go back and rear face their kid, I've seen their stories, it's not horrible like you make it out to be!
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Ask a parent who lost a child in a car accident if they would go back and rear face their kid, I've seen their stories, it's not horrible like you make it out to be!
Statistics would help convince me more than anecdotes or emotionally loaded what-ifs. You seem to have read up on this topic, any chance of a link to some data?
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You can be 7 and rear facing, the legs are fine and in an accident a broken leg is better than a broken neck. Just some of the mis info that is floating around.
If he spends the whole car journey moaning because his legs are hurting he is not fine in my book. He was fine once we turned the seat round, his legs didn't hurt anymore and he could happily look out of the window.
No misinformation from my point of view just the comfort and happiness of my child.
At seven years old he was almost 1.50m tall and could legally have travelled without a booster seat in Belgium ( but be didn't) so I don't think travelling in a rear facing car seat would have been a viable option and in my opinion would have been more dangerous than front facing.

It's safer to travel rear facing for anybody be they adults or children but there comes a time when it ceases to be practical ( it makes driving awfully difficult when you can't see where you're going) so you have to weigh up the risks. And just take a look on the trains, how many people actually choose the rear facing seats? It's not just practicality but comfort.

Everything in life has it's risks but if we worried about everything that might happen we wouldn't go anywhere or do anything.

If rear facing seats really are so much better even for older children ( I don't dispute that they are in very young children) why are they not more readily available? There have been extensive safety tests done on child car seats over a prolonged period of time and front facing seats are still by far the most commonly used and sold seats for children over two.
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Statistics would help convince me more than anecdotes or emotionally loaded what-ifs. You seem to have read up on this topic, any chance of a link to some data?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2598309/

http://csftl.org/why-rear-facing-the...junkies-guide/

http://www.carseatsite.com/statistics.htm

http://www.joelsjourney.org/


Lots of links on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8gU9zzCGA8


if you watch just one watch this, then argue it's just as safe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sssIsceKd6U
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Re: What car seat do you use for the kids?

Those all seem to be primarily referencing the same study, on children under the age of 2. Can you link to other studies which address your claim that "rear-facing is safer for adults too", please? (Again, youtube links and anecdotes don't really do it for me: call it a personal proclivity.)
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If he spends the whole car journey moaning because his legs are hurting he is not fine in my book. He was fine once we turned the seat round, his legs didn't hurt anymore and he could happily look out of the window.
No misinformation from my point of view just the comfort and happiness of my child.
At seven years old he was almost 1.50m tall and could legally have travelled without a booster seat in Belgium ( but be didn't) so I don't think travelling in a rear facing car seat would have been a viable option and in my opinion would have been more dangerous than front facing.

It's safer to travel rear facing for anybody be they adults or children but there comes a time when it ceases to be practical ( it makes driving awfully fpdifficult when you can't see where you're going) so you have to weigh up the risks.

Everything in life has it's risks but if we worried about everything that might happen we wouldn't go anywhere or do anything.
That is very tall at 7! That is the avg height for a 13 year old I think? So I guess it would be very different if you have a child much taller than the avg, maybe then it would be uncomfortable but then again it would STILL be safer to be rear facing.

I guess there are risks in life but what risks do we want to take for our kids? There is so many who move babies at 9 months front facing in the UK, it's not safe, but people don't know it.

To say everything has a risk so don't worry, I don't know, I'd rather be safe than sorry.
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Those all seem to be primarily referencing the same study, on children under the age of 2. Can you link to other studies which address your claim that "rear-facing is safer for adults too", please?
The studies aren't all just until 2. Until a min of 4 most studies say now and in Sweden it's often until 6/7

http://www.carseat.se/rearfacing/safety-benefits/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/tr...ats-safer.html

Comes up quite quick in a search, sorry trying to do too much at once to find more studies.
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Re: What car seat do you use for the kids?


All US sites using US approved safety standards for the seats ?

Europe has different standards.....

Any accident is going to be traumatic for all concerned.

If this is all you can think about, maybe best not to travel at all
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Those all seem to be primarily referencing the same study, on children under the age of 2. Can you link to other studies which address your claim that "rear-facing is safer for adults too", please? (Again, youtube links and anecdotes don't really do it for me: call it a personal proclivity.)
NIHM isn't good enough either? Crash tests aren't good either?

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Re: What car seat do you use for the kids?

Is this what you are talking about ? I see this translating badly to a child much older than 3 or at the limit 4. The kids in the picture are semi recumbent and I just imagining the winter hoo ha of having to wrestle waterproof trousers and gumboots off before you loaded them into the car.

To my mind there are simpler ways of protecting your older children from the dangers of car travel - we use public transport far more than the car parked in my garage - for many reasons but safety being a (small) part of our considerations.
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The studies aren't all just until 2. Until a min of 4 most studies say now and in Sweden it's often until 6/7

http://www.carseat.se/rearfacing/safety-benefits/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/tr...ats-safer.html

Comes up quite quick in a search, sorry trying to do too much at once to find more studies.
The studies you linked to were all until age 2 though. (In fact they were all references to a single study, which was only up to age 2.) That's why I repeated the question.

As for these two links, the first one asserts that "rear facing is always safer, even for adults" but doesn't give any hint where the writer got his evidence for that assertion. That's all I want, the evidence. I'm not trying to be difficult here but believing something because "they say" or "it's already the law in Country X" isn't really my style.

The second one is about air travel which is a whole different ballgame, completely different crash risks.

I appreciate that the studies on adults and older children may not exist yet or may be hard to find for some reason. It definitely wasn't my intention to saddle you with extra work if you're already busy. It's just that you sounded so sure of your information, I thought it would be no more than a moment's work to point me to the evidence. That's OK though. I can certainly go off and google it for myself, and if I do find anything I'll post back here.

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Whatever. I just hope the driver is front-facing, whichever way anyone else in the car sits...
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The studies you linked to were all until age 2 though. (In fact they were all references to a single study, which was only up to age 2.) That's why I repeated the question.

As for these two links, the first one asserts that "rear facing is always safer, even for adults" but doesn't give any hint where the writer got his evidence for that assertion. That's all I want, the evidence. I'm not trying to be difficult here but believing something because "they say" or "it's already the law in Country X" isn't really my style.

The second one is about air travel which is a whole different ballgame, completely different crash risks.

I appreciate that the studies on adults and older children may not exist yet or may be hard to find for some reason. It definitely wasn't my intention to saddle you with extra work if you're already busy. It's just that you sounded so sure of your information, I thought it would be no more than a moment's work to point me to the evidence. That's OK though. I can certainly go off and google it for myself, and if I do find anything I'll post back here.

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Here's one for you.(which links to many other articles)

http://www.rearfacing.co.uk

And another here.
http://www.which.co.uk/baby-and-chil...ild-car-seats/

Nothing I have found goes beyond age 4 though.

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Here's one for you.(which links yo many other articles)

http://www.rearfacing.co.uk
Bingo! To be precise, here's the page with their list of studies: http://www.rearfacing.co.uk/testresults.php

As you say, none of them seem to go above age 4 (so the notion that "rear facing is safer for adults" still remains unsupported as far as I can see) but it's a start.
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Re: What car seat do you use for the kids?

BLP pm'd me to say that she has reached her posting limit for today so cannot respond.

She also kindly reminded me that you should remove winter outer clothes when loading your child in their car seat as bulky clothing does not lend itself to a secure fit. I do remove coats but not normally boots!

I think the point she makes about considering rear facing for longer is a good one and certainly for older toddlers - many of the seats we all have already in our cars can be fixed in rear facing so it makes sense to consider it and the studies highlighted on this thread certainly make a good argument for it in the under 4s.
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Re: What car seat do you use for the kids?

The main question asked by the OP was about which type of car seat members recommended, and specifically if anyone had info about the isofix system.... as far as I can tell I'm the only person that's attempted to answer that bit, and my knowledge is sadly secondhand.

BLP has slightly highjacked the thread by crusading about rear-facing seats that I'm pretty sure most children above the age of two or three would whinge about having to sit in, certainly my grandchildren would; swapping to a front-facing one cured #1 of her car sickness immediately.

Could we get back on track please, the OP hasn't been back since posting his original query and I rather suspect he'd been frightened off.
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The main question asked by the OP was about which type of car seat members recommended, and specifically if anyone had info about the isofix system.... as far as I can tell I'm the only person that's attempted to answer that bit, and my knowledge is sadly secondhand.

BLP has slightly highjacked the thread by crusading about rear-facing seats that I'm pretty sure most children above the age of two or three would whinge about having to sit in, certainly my grandchildren would; swapping to a front-facing one cured #1 of her car sickness immediately.

Could we get back on track please, the OP hasn't been back since posting his original query and I rather suspect he'd been frightened off.
We actually I pointed out the weight limit for ISOFIX so likely the 5 year can't use a seat using ISOFIX, which is helpful I think

I also don't see why pointing out a 2 year old shouldn't' be in a booster seat is bad.

If someone asked how to not pay tax no one would point out this is not legal?

You also assume kids have an issue with rear facing, most don't. To relate it the tax reference, most whine about it to, but it's a must

I only brought it up trying to help, nothing more.
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