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Driving Lessons

I have been driving for 33 years to date in the UK and only got my first speeding ticket last month in France and been an advanced driver for 15 years. But this is worth nowt when driving on Swiss roads. I thus need to adapt to the Swiss way of driving;

So far I have taken note of the following ;

- The need to drive at least 10% above any speed limit.
- Never leave more than a few foot gap between you and the car in front. If you cant see the screws in there number plate, your not close enough.
- Never ever use your indicators on a roundabout. School boy error that one.
- Flash any car in front of you to drive faster, if the poor road conditions are making them drive sensibly. Like today with the snow around Lucerne.

Any others I'm missing ?
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As an advanced driver you should be able to cope with these drivers, drive defensively. Don't forget that about one third of drivers here are foreign, and they probably never took a Swiss driving test, but simply exchanged their license.

Can you pass a Swiss driving test? http://cut.asa.ch/
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Re: Driving Lessons

The round about thing gets most people when they are new... you only indicate on exit.. not your initial intention as in the UK.

For flashing lights I just slow down or continue in ignorant bliss, they can pass if they want.

You will also notice that the vast majority of accidents here are rear ends.. nothing to do with driving too close though
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As an advanced driver you should be able to cope with these drivers, drive defensively. Don't forget that about one third of drivers here are foreign, and they probably never took a Swiss driving test, but simply exchanged their license.

Can you pass a Swiss driving test? http://cut.asa.ch/
Will the test include "How close can you get to the car in front and speed camera approach sudden braking" ?
These are skills I need to practise.
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The round about thing gets most people when they are new... you only indicate on exit.. not your initial intention as in the UK.

For flashing lights I just slow down or continue in ignorant bliss, they can pass if they want.

You will also notice that the vast majority of accidents here are rear ends.. nothing to do with driving too close though
I have also started to use the Motorway "don't let them in under any condition rule".
i.e. I'm in the slow lane/Right hand lane and the fast lane/left lane is clear. A car is entering the motor way via the slip road. Under no circumstances will I move to the right lane and then back to left once he is in. This would show signs of being a road good citizen and that would never do.
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Here are the places you can practice, http://www.blitzer.de/karte#id:765295
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I prefer to practise in Italy.
My claim for fame is that I drove in Naples for 5 days and only got hit by another car once. But I was told that someone shunting you gently while stopped at a red light was normal. So I ignored the bump.

First day in Naples , driving down a one way street (correct direction) a woman on a moped was coming at me in the wrong direction with a small child in front of her. I decide best bet was to slow down and stop. She passed me on one side and the chap in car behind me at the time over took via mounting pavement. Welcome to Naples.
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Re: Driving Lessons

Another thing I need to practise is ;

Road works marked with Orange lane delimiters. Single lane and speed limit set to 80. If the car in front of you is doing 85, then drive very close to them and give them the odd flash of lights.
(Someone did that to me last month - I also knew a speed camera was somewhere in those road works).
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I have also started to use the Motorway "don't let them in under any condition rule".
i.e. I'm in the slow lane/Right hand lane and the fast lane/left lane is clear. A car is entering the motor way via the slip road. Under no circumstances will I move to the right lane and then back to left once he is in. This would show signs of being a road good citizen and that would never do.
I find them overly cautious and change lanes at.the nearest opportunity.

I had a cock whisk behind yesterday , 1 lane in tunnel closed 80kmh he comes up at huge speed flashing lights dropping back speeding up etc. Blowing him a kiss as he went past upset him
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stlemans is the forum expert on driving. He'd be delighted to give you a free lesson - eh Tom?

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Re: Driving Lessons

Totally agree with the motorway thing. Never expect anyone to move over to let you on. Also plan your lane 3 hours in advance 'cos they are not gentle with anyone trying to change lanes. If you're a pedestrian, don't just walk out expecting anyone to stop at a zebra crossing or you'll get mowed down or have someone whiz by so close it'll shave your chin (or anything else hairy that happens to be exposed).
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Very helpful and interesting thread! Thanks.
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Re: Driving Lessons

Some other pointers I can add based on my 4 years driving in Switzerland:

This took me a time to find out but very important. At one of those triangle-like junctions, seems like a cross between a T=junction and a roundabout, ALWAYS give way to the person entering on your right. Don't assume you have right of way, even though it might seem like you should. This catches me out every time, it is like the reverse psychology of a roundabout!

Other point is to never expect a thank you when you let someone out. The Swiss seem to expect you to let them in, why on earth should they thank you!

Swiss speed camera's are the "invisible tax", they are coloured grey, no warning ever given they exist and put normally at places to maximise capture ie. shortly after a downhill bend at a 50 zone, the speed sign ideally positioned so you do not see it because you are focused on driving properly.

The police also like using mobile camera's and hide inside grey coloured VW vans with black tinted glass so you cannot detect them. You will receive the bill in the post about 2 months after when you have forgotten you ever drove there.

The joys!

Good luck and happy safe driving.
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This took me a time to find out but very important. At one of those triangle-like junctions, seems like a cross between a T=junction and a roundabout, ALWAYS give way to the person entering on your right. Don't assume you have right of way, even though it might seem like you should. This catches me out every time, it is like the reverse psychology of a roundabout!
Streetview link to one of those? Priority is normally clear when you know the signage. Looks like you may have to brush up your knowledge just a bit.
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Re: Driving Lessons

Here is an example: Who gives way to who?

https://www.google.ch/maps/@47.30667...8i6656!6m1!1e1

No signs giving clear indication of any right of way. If I am driving straight and want to go under the railway bridge, I should give way to any traffic approaching on the right, even though it seems like they should wait.

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No signs giving clear indication of any right of way. If I am driving straight and want to go under the railway bridge, I should give way to any traffic approaching on the right, even though it seems like they should wait.

Thank you.

Priority from the right is the default. As there are no signs indicating otherwise, and no street crosses a side walk the default (priority from the right) is what applies. Art. 36 SVG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a36

Here a situation where the traffic from the right has to cross the side walk and thus has no priority: https://goo.gl/maps/CVlaU
Rule is Art. 15 VRV
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a15

PS: If you turn around 180° we see that it is in a 30-Zone. Non-priority from the right in a 30-zone is the a exception from the rule.
Art. 4 of the Verordnung über die Tempo-30-Zonen und die Begegnungszonen
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi.../index.html#a4

In conclusion: Always expect priority from the right unless there are signs or other indicators that priority from the right does not apply.

Here Zurichs most famous priority from the right intersection, Manesseplatz
https://goo.gl/maps/iIyo9
I suspect it does only exist so it can be used for driving license tests.
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Here Zurichs most famous priority from the right intersection, Manesseplatz
https://goo.gl/maps/iIyo9
I suspect it does only exist so it can be used for driving license tests.
The priority bit is not the problem at that junction but the poor visibility offered from all but the Sihlcity approach that can make it entertaining - usually when multiple parties block exits.
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Some other pointers I can add based on my 4 years driving in Switzerland:

This took me a time to find out but very important. At one of those triangle-like junctions, seems like a cross between a T=junction and a roundabout, ALWAYS give way to the person entering on your right. Don't assume you have right of way, even though it might seem like you should. This catches me out every time, it is like the reverse psychology of a roundabout!
Wow...what the heck have you done for the last 4 years?!?! It's finally time that you learn the rules.

That's actually what I call very exemplary ignorance.

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Swiss speed camera's are the "invisible tax", they are coloured grey, no warning ever given they exist and put normally at places to maximise capture ie. shortly after a downhill bend at a 50 zone, the speed sign ideally positioned so you do not see it because you are focused on driving properly.

The police also like using mobile camera's and hide inside grey coloured VW vans with black tinted glass so you cannot detect them. You will receive the bill in the post about 2 months after when you have forgotten you ever drove there.
Pardon-me, but isn't that actually the idea of a speed check?! – So in other words, you would drive always too fast if you knew where the speed checks are to be expected.

Luckily, I never met you on the street.
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Here Zurichs most famous priority from the right intersection, Manesseplatz
https://goo.gl/maps/iIyo9
I suspect it does only exist so it can be used for driving license tests.
Bligmey, I'd never make it past that spot ... The white taxi driver is actually giving priority to the brown renault... which in turn has to give priority to the silver car coming from its right... That's way too messed up - this place really needs a roundabout
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Bligmey, I'd never make it past that spot ... The white taxi driver is actually giving priority to the brown renault... which in turn has to give priority to the silver car coming from its right... That's way too messed up - this place really needs a roundabout
Yehaa, it is a situation where you have to check "Hier ist verständigung erforderlich" / "People have to make it up under each other".

PS: Renault driver is quite a douche, blocking the taxis way would fail result in a failed driving test.
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