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Travelling outside my train pass zone

aka how to be a cheap bugger.


I live in Vaud and have a train pass that takes me between Morges (where I am currently sleeping on my friend's settee, yay) and Lausanne, covering all of those zones.

I wonder- if I wanted to go on to Vevey say, what would be the cheapest way to do this?
Is it officially fine for me to buy a ticket in Morges that starts at Lutry(same zone as Renens which I pass through, outer Lausanne) and from there goes to Vevey?

Further...if I am to be even cheaper...If I am buying a day pass it works on zones rather than point to point....My pass bought in Lutry would include this zone 12...but my monthly pass already includes zone 12. Would it be possible to buy a day pass that instead starts at the next zone east, one which isn't covered by my monthly pass already?

I am asking here how to do things above board. I could of course cheat and miss out some sections of my journey but I'm sure the inspectors are wise to that one and it isn't very nice behaviour anyway.
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Old 09.01.2015, 11:37
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Re: Travelling outside my train pass zone

you need an extension ticket to cover any zone you cross and the zone you get off in.
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Re: Travelling outside my train pass zone

If you traveling outside the zone for which you have tickets, you need to buy a ticket from the last station from to which your ticket is valid.

So if I have a ticket covering all of Kanton ZH but want to go to Bern, I will pay a different price for a train that is non Stop to Bern (i'll need to get a one way/return to Bern) than one that is stopping along the way, in which case it will be a cheaper ticket.

This is a pain in the bum because it would be easier to buy a ticket from the next zone where you don't have a ticket to the zone your destination is in.

As for the second part of your question, I think all tickets bought work on zones rather than point to point, certainly they do locally.

Happy to be proven wrong, I've only been here 6 months, but that's what I've been told and have read on one of the ZVV or SBB websites. I do the above whenever I go outside of my annual pass validity but haven't been nabbed by a ticket inspector yet.
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Re: Travelling outside my train pass zone

I asked a similar question some time ago.

Here's a nice post to summarise it: "Supplementing" an existing ticket to travel further
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Old 09.01.2015, 13:33
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Re: Travelling outside my train pass zone

I experienced the same thing travelling from Zurich whilst having a Zurich Card. Get a ticket that covers the additional part of the journey as mentioned above.

The important thing is to make sure that the train you travel on stops at the station on the boundary of the travel zone. You theoretically need to get off and back on at that station though that doesn't seem to be necessary.

If you travel on a through train you risk a fine for not having a valid ticket.

This was explained to me at the ticket office and he seemed very clear that a ticket inspector would enforce this
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Re: Travelling outside my train pass zone

I have a train pass for St Prex to Lausanne and have always followed the advice Deep Purple and Bozza give because I too was told that when I asked at a ticket office.

However the other weekend I was making a trip to see family and had, as usual, bought a ticket from Lausanne to my destination. A ticket officer came by when we were past Lausanne so I showed her my pass and my ticket, and she said "You've paid too much. You didn't need to buy a ticket for zone 12 because your pass covers it. Next time buy a ticket from the first station in the next zone." The train doesn't stop at that station.

Now I don't know who to believe...
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Re: Travelling outside my train pass zone

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Now I don't know who to believe...
Was your destination still in the Mobilis area? Because then you would have indeed just needed the additional zones. As far as I understood the rule changes if you travel outside the local tarrif zone using trains that go further out.
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I have a train pass for St Prex to Lausanne and have always followed the advice Deep Purple and Bozza give because I too was told that when I asked at a ticket office.

However the other weekend I was making a trip to see family and had, as usual, bought a ticket from Lausanne to my destination. A ticket officer came by when we were past Lausanne so I showed her my pass and my ticket, and she said "You've paid too much. You didn't need to buy a ticket for zone 12 because your pass covers it. Next time buy a ticket from the first station in the next zone." The train doesn't stop at that station.

Now I don't know who to believe...
If we take Vevey as an example (only one I could think of to illustrate this), then I assume you have an abonnement for zones 31, 33, 30, 12 and 11.

My understanding is that as everything is still within mobilis, then you just need to buy an extension fare for the four zones outside your abonnement to Vevey.

I haven't done this often, but to obtain this from a CFF ticket machine, set the origin as somewhere within the first unpaid zone, e.g. Villette, and the destination as Vevey. The machine should then charge you for a four zone ticket. At least, this is how I did it.

Now if you catch the S1 which stops all stops on the line to Vevey from Lausanne, I can't see a problem that the inspectors will have. On the other hand, there is a RE service which goes straight from Lausanne to Vevey - maybe this is an example of what you are alluding to. I still can't see a problem here - yes, the train doesn't stop at Villette as you have bought - as it's all still within mobilis and you've paid for all the relevant zones, but happy to be corrected.

If your destination is outside the mobilis zone, then you can't just pay for the additional trip from the first point outside the zones you are validated for unless the train stops at that first outside point. As is the case around the world, the rule takes precedence over an official who may have said the wrong thing!
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Re: Travelling outside my train pass zone

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If you traveling outside the zone for which you have tickets, you need to buy a ticket from the last called station of your particulair train from to which your ticket is valid.

So if I have a ticket covering all of Kanton ZH but want to go to Bern, I will pay a different price for a train that is non Stop to Bern (i'll need to get a one way/return to Bern) than one that is stopping along the way, in which case it will be a cheaper ticket.
This is perfectly fine for all journeys traversing the (combined/shared) fare network's border! As long as you stay within the (combined/shared) fare network's area, e.g. ZVV, or Mobilis, unireso, or Z-Pass, this rules does not apply!

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This is a pain in the bum because it would be easier to buy a ticket from the next zone where you don't have a ticket to the zone your destination is in.
Which indeed is the case as long as your journey stays within the fare network's area!!!

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As for the second part of your question, I think all tickets bought work on zones rather than point to point, certainly they do locally.
Exactely, for journeys within fare networks you do not effectively purchase point-to-point tickets, but zones! Nevertheless, you do order the ticket from point-to-point, then the ticket machines translates it into zones you have to cover.


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I experienced the same thing travelling from Zurich whilst having a Zurich Card. Get a ticket that covers the additional part of the journey as mentioned above.

The important thing is to make sure that the train you travel on stops at the station on/before the boundary of your ticket's valid travel zones. You theoretically (you can think that way) need to get off and back on at that station though that isn't necessary.

If you travel on a through train you risk a fine for not having a valid ticket.

This was explained to me at the ticket office and he seemed very clear that a ticket inspector would enforce this
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I have a train pass for St Prex to Lausanne and have always followed the advice Deep Purple and Bozza give because I too was told that when I asked at a ticket office.

However the other weekend I was making a trip to see family and had, as usual, bought a ticket from Lausanne to my destination. A ticket officer came by when we were past Lausanne so I showed her my pass and my ticket, and she said "You've paid too much. You didn't need to buy a ticket for zone 12 because your pass covers it. Next time buy a ticket from the first station in the next zone." The train doesn't stop at that station.

Now I don't know who to believe...
Yes, she was right, since you stayed within your fare network's area (here Mobilis)! – You only need a ticket/card that covers all zones you are travelling within or you traverse. – Within a fare network (here: Mobilis) you effectively only purchase zones, no point-to-point tickets.

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If we take Vevey as an example (only one I could think of to illustrate this), then I assume you have an abonnement for zones 31, 33, 30, 12 and 11.

My understanding is that as everything is still within mobilis, then you just need to buy an extension fare for the four zones outside your abonnement to Vevey.

I haven't done this often, but to obtain this from a CFF ticket machine, set the origin as somewhere within the first unpaid zone, e.g. Villette, and the destination as Vevey. The machine should then charge you for a four zone ticket. At least, this is how I did it.

Now if you catch the S1 which stops all stops on the line to Vevey from Lausanne, I can't see a problem that the inspectors will have. On the other hand, there is a RE service which goes straight from Lausanne to Vevey - maybe this is an example of what you are alluding to. I still can't see a problem here - yes, the train doesn't stop at Villette as you have bought - as it's all still within mobilis and you've paid for all the relevant zones, but happy to be corrected.
You are perfectly correct.

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If your destination is outside the mobilis zone, then you can't just pay for the additional trip from the first point outside the zones you are validated for unless the train stops at that first outside point. As is the case around the world, the rule takes precedence over an official who may have said the wrong thing!
This is not quite correct. This is important.

It must be a ticket from the last stop of your particularly chosen train that is being called by your chosen train within your valid zones!

Consider this: You are actually travelling with two tickets: 1. Your ticket/abonnement/travel card for some (or all) of the fare network's zones, and 2. a ticket for a destination outside of your fare network's borders.

If you now take a particular train that traverses your fare network's borders, then you would theoretically to get off at the last stop this particular train calls within the valid zones of your fare network's ticket/abonnement (can be your start point), and then buy there a ticket to your final destination (outside of the fare network's border)!

Again, this rule is irrelevant as long as you chose a destination within your original (combined/shared) fare network.

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Again, this should be consistent with "Supplementing" an existing ticket to travel further (see especially the last part of the message).

Is it now understandable, or are you now even more puzzeled?
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