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Old 22.02.2015, 00:12
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Probational driving license and traffic violations

Hello Everyone,

As many of you know, since 2005 Switzerland uses probational licenses limited to 3 years for everyone who passes the practical driving exam. During these 3 years you need to go through 16 hours course which will teach you some advanced driving skills.

However, they also say that if you do any traffic violations during probational time the following will happen:

- on first violation the probation period is increased from 3 to 4 years
- on second violation the driving license is revoked + you need to wait 1 year to reapply + you need to visit a psychiatric who will judge if you qualify to re-apply

Source is (in French) for canton Vaud: http://www.vd.ch/themes/mobilite/aut...rmis-a-lessai/

I did not find, however, any information on what traffic violations will be counted as affecting the probational period. If you are flashed with +1 km over the limit will this count?

The reason I am asking is because I see a lack of information on this issue and I want to prepare my wife who just got the probational driving license
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Re: Probational driving license and traffic violations

Click on your link and then on "Que se passe-t-il en cas d'infraction ?"

Au premier retrait :

Si vous commettez une infraction à la loi sur la circulation routière (LCR) entraînant un retrait du permis de conduire, la période probatoire sera prolongée d’une année (quatre ans).
Au second retrait :

Le permis de conduire à l’essai sera annulé. Vous devez recommencer depuis le début.


In Switzerland you will get either an administrative fine for a strict-liability offense (amende d'ordre) or a traffic violation conviction + hefty fine in case of a minor, major or serious offense (dénonciation en cas d'infraction légère, moyen'mt grave ou grave au code de la route).

Your wife's PL will be suspended if she is speeding more than 20 / 25 / 30 km/h (Town/Rural/Autobahn)

http://www.vd.ch/themes/mobilite/aut...ement/vitesse/

+1 km/h over the speed limit won't affect her PL, but she will get a ticket. See below:


Built-up areas (fr: agglomération; de: Innerortsbereich): Speed limits 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 kph

a) Ticket: for speeding violation 1 - 15 km/h over the posted speed limit

b) Hefty fine + ...

- Warning for speeding violation 16 - 20 km/h over the posted speed limit
- DL suspention (1 month) for speeding violation 21 - 24 km/h over the posted speed limit
- DL suspention (3 month - ∞) for speeding violation 25 km/h or more ¢ over the posted speed limit

Rural, outside built-up areas (fr: hors localités; de: Ausserortsbereich):
1a) Major and secondary highways (Haupt- u. Nebenstrassen; routes principales et secondaires): Speed limits: 60, 70, 80 kph
1b) Limited access expressways (Autostrassen; semi-autoroutes): Speed limits: 80, 100

a) Ticket: for speeding violation 1 - 20 km/h over the posted speed limit

b) Hefty fine + ...

- Warning for speeding violation 21 - 25 km/h over the posted speed limit
- DL suspention (1 month) for speeding violation 26 - 29 km/h over the posted speed limit
- DL suspention (3 month - ∞) for speeding violation 30 km/h or more ¢ over the posted speed limit

2) Motorways (Autobahnen; autoroutes): Speed limits: 80, 100, 120 kph

a) Ticket: for speeding violation 1 - 25 km/h over the posted speed limit

b) Hefty fine + ...

- Warning for speeding violation 26 - 30 km/h over the posted speed limit
- DL suspention (1 month) for speeding violation 31 - 34 km/h over the posted speed limit
- DL suspention (3 month - ∞) for speeding violation 35 km/h or more ¢ over the posted speed limit


?? kph: general speed limit

¢ Misdemeanor: Reckless Driving (de: Raserns; fr: chauffards) (##)

Speeding violation 40 km/h or more over the posted speed limit of 30 km/h
Speeding violation 50 km/h or more over the posted speed limit of 50 km/h
Speeding violation 60 km/h or more over the posted (AB/AS) or applicable (H&NS) speed limit of 80 km/h
Speeding violation 80 km/h or more over the posted (AB) or applicable (AS) speed limit of 100 km/h
Speeding violation 80 km/h or more over the applicable (AS) speed limit of 120 km/h


##: aggravating factors if DUI, DWI, Driving w/o valid DL, with a probationary license or with a learner's permit
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I did not find, however, any information on what traffic violations will be counted as affecting the probational period. If you are flashed with +1 km over the limit will this count?...
Reading the links of Ramtin[e]'s post my reading is that breaking any road traffic law counts for strike 1 and strike 2. +1 km over the limit counts as a road traffic law breach even though for non-probationary drivers it results in a small fine.

Be on the safe side. Don't breach the limits. It isn't difficult.
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Reading the links of Ramtin[e]'s post my reading is that breaking any road traffic law counts for strike 1 and strike 2. +1 km over the limit counts as a road traffic law breach even though for non-probationary drivers it results in a small fine.

Be on the safe side. Don't breach the limits. It isn't difficult.
Considering that minor traffic breaches are anonymous (you're not asked to identify the driver, the owner of the car is simply sent an invoice to be paid in ten or twenty days), I expect that they don't count against probationary drivers.
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Considering that minor traffic breaches are anonymous (you're not asked to identify the driver, the owner of the car is simply sent an invoice to be paid in ten or twenty days), I expect that they don't count against probationary drivers.
It's pretty obvious that infractions that you don't get caught for don't count, so if you're flashed at 6km over (resulting in a 1km over fine) and that's anonymous, you'll get away with it.

I base my comment on the facts that 1) my son (in BL) has just switched to his full license and he was explicitly told three years ago that any violation of traffic law counted. 2) The links to the law above say the same thing.
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It's pretty obvious that infractions that you don't get caught for don't count, so if you're flashed at 6km over (resulting in a 1km over fine) and that's anonymous, you'll get away with it.
Apparently it's not that obvious, given that's exactly the question the OP asked.

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OP, I suggets that your wife learn how to drive within the speed limit, but not to overly worry if you get hit with a tiny, anonymous fine (read the letter that comes in, it will tell you that it's anonymous). That said, the speed for anonymity varies (I think) based on the speed limit of the road you're on. I can't be bothered to look it up, but there's a thread on these boards, posted by Litespeed I think, which explains speeding offenses in detail.
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Reading the links of Ramtin[e]'s post my reading is that breaking any road traffic law counts for strike 1 and strike 2. +1 km over the limit counts as a road traffic law breach even though for non-probationary drivers it results in a small fine.
No. Only violations that warrant a license suspension count as strike 1 and strike 2.

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Muss der Führerausweis auf Probe wegen einer Widerhandlung entzogen werden, so verlängert sich die Probezeit um ein Jahr. Bei einer zweiten Widerhandlung, die zu einem Ausweisentzug führt, wird der Führerausweis annulliert.
Translation: If the provisional drivers's license needs to be suspended due to a violation, the probational period is extended by one year. In case af a second violation which leads to a suspension, the provisional license will be cancelled.

Source: http://www.stva.zh.ch/internet/siche...w/AWprobe.html
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Re: Probational driving license and traffic violations

Thanks for all replies.

Some of you had a feeling that she should respect the limits, drive safe and don't bother with the possible risks to probational license. In fact, she spent so much nerves (canton VD is known to have the lowest passing rate on practical exams in the country) on getting the license on the first place that she will respect the rules with obsessive behavior until ... forever.

It's just I was curios how exactly strict is the law regarding probational licenses. Now I can see from your replies that only serious violations count so this is more relaxing to know.

Thanks for your replies.
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she will respect the rules with obsessive behavior until ... forever.
Or maybe she will gradually assimilate the Suisse Romande attitude to speed limits.
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