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Old 04.03.2015, 14:42
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Buying 2nd hand car mpv near Zurich-advice

We're looking to buy a mpv (7 seater). Right now I'm driving w Hyundai sonata and while we need more seats, I don't want a ca that had bigger dimensions from the outside since I use it a lot in narrow parking places in the city.
We really don't know what we should be paying attention to other than the obvious.

My husband just saw this car on the internet:
http://m.autoscout24.ch/de/search/de...e%3D5&index=83

He will have it tested, but what else should we be looking at? Why is this one so cheap?
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Old 04.03.2015, 14:53
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We're looking to buy a mpv (7 seater). Right now I'm driving w Hyundai sonata and while we need more seats, I don't want a ca that had bigger dimensions from the outside since I use it a lot in narrow parking places in the city.
We really don't know what we should be paying attention to other than the obvious.

My husband just saw this car on the internet:
http://m.autoscout24.ch/de/search/de...e%3D5&index=83

He will have it tested, but what else should we be looking at? Why is this one so cheap?
Because it is an Opel, sold without MFK or any sort of warranty. My guess there is stuff wrong with it!
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Old 04.03.2015, 14:57
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Re: Buying 2nd hand car mpv near Zurich-advice

don't touch a car that doesn't come with a nice NEW mfk, if the garage won't sort it out walk away.
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Old 04.03.2015, 15:04
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don't touch a car that doesn't come with a nice NEW mfk, if the garage won't sort it out walk away.
Is this true for all cars, i.e. if it's only 3 years old and has a couple of year to go before the first mandatory MFK?

Would getting a TCS check [1] on the car be an alternative? Would they be more thorough?


[1] http://www.tcs.ch/de/auto-mobilitaet...sions-test.php

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Old 04.03.2015, 15:08
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Re: Buying 2nd hand car mpv near Zurich-advice

a dealer knows what an mfk is worth to a resale value, and as it only costs a few chf for the test, plus the time for someone to take it there (so less then 200chf all in) if they are selling it without one its for a very good reason.
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Old 04.03.2015, 15:19
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Why is this one so cheap?
Because it's a bucket of shit!

There's plenty of choice out there, so don't go near that car.
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Re: Buying 2nd hand car mpv near Zurich-advice

Actually, that car looks OK from the MFK side of things! It is a cheap car make anyway, low mileage, but auto (not so popular, a little more thirsty).

It has a few body dings, but looks clean inside so mileage is probably genuine.

Why not test drive it for free?

With a 2014 MFK, you should be able to ring an insurance company, collect number plates from STVA, give them to the dealer to fit, then drive off!

TCS will do a comprehensive inspection for 200chf or so. Those dealers often sell engine transmission insurance packages.
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Old 04.03.2015, 16:11
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With a 2014 MFK, you should be able to ring an insurance company, collect number plates from STVA, give them to the dealer to fit, then drive off!

TCS will do a comprehensive inspection for 200chf or so. Those dealers often sell engine transmission insurance packages.
Except:
1) It is a MARCH 2014 MFK - for a car over 10 years old - in a different kanton
2) Check out the dealer's stock - pretty much all of it under 10k. Therefore they specialise in turning round cheap cars. If they are selling this one "ab-platz" something is wrong
3) It is sold ab-platz - which means no warranty at all - and they won't be able to sell you a Quality1 warranty either

That is a "don't touch with a barge pole" car
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We're looking to buy a mpv (7 seater). Right now I'm driving w Hyundai sonata and while we need more seats, I don't want a ca that had bigger dimensions from the outside since I use it a lot in narrow parking places in the city.
We really don't know what we should be paying attention to other than the obvious.

My husband just saw this car on the internet:
http://m.autoscout24.ch/de/search/de...e%3D5&index=83

He will have it tested, but what else should we be looking at? Why is this one so cheap?

What's your budget?
Only 3K?
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Old 04.03.2015, 20:18
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Except:
1) It is a MARCH 2014 MFK - for a car over 10 years old - in a different kanton
2) Check out the dealer's stock - pretty much all of it under 10k. Therefore they specialise in turning round cheap cars. If they are selling this one "ab-platz" something is wrong
3) It is sold ab-platz - which means no warranty at all - and they won't be able to sell you a Quality1 warranty either

That is a "don't touch with a barge pole" car
OK, ok. I agree, maybe you are right for this purchaser.

My personal experience as a car fanatic is that STVA will still issue a plate for you to drive around for up to 3 years after the last MFK date, even on a 10 year old car, if it is taken to a different kanton within 2 years of the last MFK. You can take them a copy of the grey car logbook and ask before purchase. Then off to Poland, Ukraine, Germany, UK or whatever for a fixup service. Used parts on ebay Germany for Opel cost a few francs. Sometimes new parts even.

Looking back some of my purchases have been Ab Platz or off Ricardo, but I do fix my own cars, and I have had 4 good runabouts for 300, 600, and 910chf, and cough, 4.5k chf. The difference was actually quite small between the 910 and 4.5k cars. Maybe you get a good solid car, low mileage, throw money at cheap but quality new parts like discs, pads, tyres, synthetic oil, new battery. You could be much better off than a 220k km car with a new MFK at 4500chf, then the bills start anyway, maybe a transmission goes, etc.

I agree though, a car "expert" like TCS needs to be involved to avoid getting ripped off if you are hands off. But then going to any dealer in Switzerland for a used car is asking to be ripped off if you are a novice, unless perhaps it is a newish car from the respective dealer with dealer warranty, super finance, etc. Finance/lease deals here are good too on new if you aren't too fussy with adding extras.

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OK, ok. I agree, maybe you are right for this purchaser.
If he could fix his own cars, OP wouldn't have come here in the first place.

As such, walking away from this one is the only good advice.

Additionally, time is worth something, too, most of the time.
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Re: Buying 2nd hand car mpv near Zurich-advice

I'm sorry I havent had time to reply sooner, it's been a crazy week.

I just wanted to let you all know that I read everything you wrote and really appreciated the advice.
My husband went to check it out and had it tested by the TCS. The guy there found it's in great condition and really worth it. We did end up getting it, lets see how long it lasts. Our last car had been damaged in the back and the cost to fix it would have been more than it was worth. We're might not be here much longer, so hopefully this one will last till then.
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OK.
We love to be proven wrong ;-)

If you like, update this thread once you scrap it or have to have it repaired...
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OK.
We love to be proven wrong ;-)

If you like, update this thread once you scrap it or have to have it repaired...
My first ab-platz purchase from 2005 is still basically OK. So hopefully you have a long wait! Maybe we should start an Ab Platz club in the mean time!

The more flashy newcomers to Ab Platz bargains might want a Porsche Cayenne for what is left of the winter, or a new looking Porsche convertible. Either for a snatch over 5K. What could possibly go wrong

http://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/porsc...9282&vehtyp=10
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My first ab-platz purchase from 2005 is still basically OK. So hopefully you have a long wait! Maybe we should start an Ab Platz club in the mean time!

The more flashy newcomers to Ab Platz bargains might want a Porsche Cayenne for what is left of the winter, or a new looking Porsche convertible. Either for a snatch over 5K. What could possibly go wrong
Seems as the automatic gearbox has already gone wrong on that Cayenne ;-).

Still, I guess it's relatively hard to get a real lemon in Switzerland. Most cars are pretty well maintained.
Friends of mine bougth a Mazda 6 "ab platz, fuer export" with 220k on the clock for something like 1500 CHF. The car has done 370k until now, never had any major issues and went through all MFK without problems.
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Re: Buying 2nd hand car mpv near Zurich-advice

With my luck, I'd barely make it out of the dealer's yard with one of these cars.
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My first ab-platz purchase from 2005 is still basically OK. So hopefully you have a long wait! Maybe we should start an Ab Platz club in the mean time!

The more flashy newcomers to Ab Platz bargains might want a Porsche Cayenne for what is left of the winter, or a new looking Porsche convertible. Either for a snatch over 5K. What could possibly go wrong

http://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/porsc...9282&vehtyp=10
I would go for a BMW Alpina
http://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/bmw-a...3010&vehtyp=10
Even though the picture of the service book is scary - a 4 year gap...

or a CL600
http://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/merce...4494&vehtyp=10
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I would go for a BMW Alpina
http://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/bmw-a...3010&vehtyp=10
Even though the picture of the service book is scary - a 4 year gap...

or a CL600
http://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/merce...4494&vehtyp=10
The "bargain" Alpina is the B5 Touring that appeared last week (at 38,000chf). Not bad for a 3 year old 180,000chf car.

(The desirable B10 of that era is the B10S. I called with 4 hours of one appearing on Autoscout last year - it had already sold. Sight unseen!!)
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