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5 year old Passat/ Tiguan/ Avensis - money pit?

We are looking at buying a second-hand car and the more we research the market, the more confused we are. We are looking at a 5 (or so) year old automatic car with less than 100,000 km. So far, we like the looks of the Passat, Tiguan and Avensis.

I would like to get an idea of the running costs of such models. Anyone know how much the maintenance/ service could be for the above?

Running a car is expensive, but is there one model which is be less of a money pit?

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Re: 5 year old Passat/ Tiguan/ Avensis - money pit?

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We are looking at buying a second-hand car and the more we research the market, the more confused we are. We are looking at a 5 (or so) year old automatic car with less than 100,000 km. So far, we like the looks of the Passat, Tiguan and Avensis.

I would like to get an idea of the running costs of such models. Anyone know how much the maintenance/ service could be for the above?

Running a car is expensive, but is there one model which is be less of a money pit?

Thanks in advance,
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None of those are money pits - they aren't Italian or French (or British).

A rough estimate:
1,000chf insurance (3rd party).
500chf road tax
1,000chf service
600chf tyres
1,000chf maintenance

These are per year and relatively high - IE worse case.

Remember that a lot of cars have cambelts changes around 70-100k km - this is a fairly expensive job, so worth making sure it is already done.
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Re: 5 year old Passat/ Tiguan/ Avensis - money pit?

i'd also say look just over 100k . then the big 100k service has been done in most cases
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Old 24.03.2015, 12:45
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i'd also say look just over 100k . then the big 100k service has been done in most cases
VWs are done at 30000km intervals.
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Re: 5 year old Passat/ Tiguan/ Avensis - money pit?

this is just my personal opinion having owned many many cars

VW don't deserve there reputation for reliability and cheap/easy to fix (any VW group car), we've had what should be simple cheap things to fix turn out to be big expensive headaches (in fact they shouldn't ever have broken)

Given a choice for cheap motoring I'd always go for a toyota over a vw.
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Re: 5 year old Passat/ Tiguan/ Avensis - money pit?

Just my POV - VW over the Avensis.
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Re: 5 year old Passat/ Tiguan/ Avensis - money pit?

We have three different sets of friends who've all had major expensive repairs on their Toyotas and all at a similar age.
I personally have no experience of any of them but would think twice before buying an Avensis simply because of their issues if I were buying a car for myself.
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Re: 5 year old Passat/ Tiguan/ Avensis - money pit?

I hope that clears things up for you op
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VW don't deserve there reputation for reliability and cheap/easy to fix (any VW group car), we've had what should be simple cheap things to fix turn out to be big expensive headaches (in fact they shouldn't ever have broken)
Not arguing about your experience, but my Passat (R36) is now at ~130k without any issues.

TBF our Audi did snap the cam belt at around 45k, just after a service, but that was covered under warranty (and that engine withdrawn/replaced in later models).
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Re: 5 year old Passat/ Tiguan/ Avensis - money pit?

Another point worth mentioning is a VW will have a better resale value if and when you decide to sell.
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We have three different sets of friends who've all had major expensive repairs on their Toyotas and all at a similar age.
I personally have no experience of any of them but would think twice before buying an Avensis simply because of their issues if I were buying a car for myself.
Do you know which model they had? We had an Avensis Saloon back in the UK and bought it when it was 5 yrs old and had it for 5 years, and we did not have any issue. Hence my preference for Toyota.

Good point Antony re the big service - certainly something to keep in mind!
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Re: 5 year old Passat/ Tiguan/ Avensis - money pit?

Hard to help with "I like a Tiguan" with 8 engine options and 3 gearbox there will be differences in fuel and service cost, so google away on that unless you can be more specific.

Toyota possibly the most reliable of the trio, but at the end of the day your looking at older cars with big miles so all can fail... all can be expensive to fix, the Toyota probably the most expensive to fix, but probably cheapest to buy. I guess on paper there wouldn't be much to choose between them, so go for the 1 that suits you needs best and with the best warranty.
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Do you know which model they had? We had an Avensis Saloon back in the UK and bought it when it was 5 yrs old and had it for 5 years, and we did not have any issue. Hence my preference for Toyota.
Two if them were the Verso. I'm not sure about the other one other than it was an estate.
Cars were both about five years old and needed work costing around 3000€. I thought at the time that it was a bit if a coincidence that those two plus the third all had similar problems at similar time frames but I didn't look into it in more detail.
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Re: 5 year old Passat/ Tiguan/ Avensis - money pit?

when you find a car you like always, ALWAYS google its exact make and model and common faults

eg

2009 tiguan 3.0 turbo common faults

print them out, then go check out the car and see how many it has. if you look on the specific car forums you'll see how much they cost to fix, and if there is a quick cheap fix rather then an expensive dealer fix, eg dealer replacing a whole door handle mech and all the costs of stripping a door when all you need is a 2chf screw, some epoxy and 20 minutes of diy
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Another point worth mentioning is a VW will have a better resale value if and when you decide to sell.
Which in turn means they're more pricey to buy

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... the Toyota probably the most expensive to fix, but probably cheapest to buy.
Is Toyota more expensive to maintain here in CH? Back in the UK, I found the service charges of VW more expensive than those of Toyota, but perhaps here it is different!

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Cars were both about five years old and needed work costing around 3000€.
Ouch! Precisely what we'd like to avoid. Looks like we should add "befriending a garage owner" on our list of things to do
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Is Toyota more expensive to maintain here in CH? Back in the UK, I found the service charges of VW more expensive than those of Toyota, but perhaps here it is different!


Ouch! Precisely what we'd like to avoid. Looks like we should add "befriending a garage owner" on our list of things to do
yes- we are looking for a used car with similar specs as well and we thought about vw but they are pricier than others with the same mileage, years, etc and friends told us (from their experience) that parts and service for the vw are more expensive than others.

i am also trying to befriend a mechanic , my brother is a mechanic and i see now that i really didn't appreciate fully enough that luxury of having someone who fixed cars and charged nothing but a couple of beers
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Re: 5 year old Passat/ Tiguan/ Avensis - money pit?

Yay! A good start to the weekend; we bought a car. In one day!

We checked out an Avensis yesterday morning. Drove away to think about it. Visited a Toyota dealership, which happened to be 2 mins' drive away. Spoke to a very helpful man in Toyota, who was very happy to impart his knowledge on all things Toyota! So this 30 mins' chat was enough to make us feel more reassured about the car.

But by then it was lunch time (when all business ceases, it seems :roll eyes, so we had to wait till 2pm, to get the wheels back in motion. Purchased insurance. Paid a deposit to the garage. Drove to STVA. Got a new carte grise, and number plate. Drove back to the garage. Paid. Drove home. Called the rental agency to rent a parking bay.

Now, only time will tell if we got a good bargain.

And thanks to everyone for your input; much appreciated.
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