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Leaving a car without license plate outside?

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I have just come to CH 1 week ago and waiting for my work permit (take 2 to 8 weeks). Meanwhile I want to buy a car from my colleague who is a Swiss. Since I need the work permit to apply for car insurance and get a license plate, I will need to leave my car stand for a while in the parking place if I decide to buy now. My concern is whether it is safe to leave a car without license plate in the outdoor parking. If not, do you have any advice for me in this situation. Thank you in advance
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Old 03.04.2015, 17:22
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Re: Leaving a car without license plate outside?

Private parking, yes.

Public parking, no.

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Private parking, yes.

Public parking, no.

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Thanks st2lemans. This is the private parking place of my apartment. Can you explain why it is safe in a private parking even if it is outdoor?
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Old 03.04.2015, 17:44
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Thanks st2lemans. This is the private parking place of my apartment. Can you explain why it is safe in a private parking even if it is outdoor?
It has nothing to do with safety. It is illegal to park a car without numberplates in a public place but us fine to do so in a private parking place irrespective of whether it is indoor or outdoor.

It will be no less safe than any other car parked there. The lack of plate is pretty irrelevant. It really depends on how safe the area is and whether it is a car worth stealing.
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It has nothing to do with safety. It is illegal to park a car without numberplates in a public place but us fine to do so in a private parking place irrespective of whether it is indoor or outdoor.

It will be no less safe than any other car parked there. The lack of plate is pretty irrelevant. It really depends on how safe the area is and whether it is a car worth stealing.
I got your point Belgianmum. I think I need to find another way to protect myself because in worst case, I will have my car stolen and there are no insurance cover for it (because I can not buy insurance at this moment)
Do you guy have any idea for me?. Thanks
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I got your point Belgianmum. I think I need to find another way to protect myself because in worst case, I will have my car stolen and there are no insurance cover for it (because I can not buy insurance at this moment)
Do you guy have any idea for me?. Thanks
Well, the obvious one that springs to mind would be not buy a car until you've got your permit!
If you're set on this particular one explain the situation to your colleague and ask him to keep it for you on the understanding that you will be buying it but need a delay, and he keeps on his plates until you can obtain your own.
Or you find a lock-up/box/garage to store it in. Not necessarily that easy, avaliability varies a lot for area to area.
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Re: Leaving a car without license plate outside?

If you are worried about it being stolen, just remove some wheels and keep them in your cellar.
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If you are worried about it being stolen, just remove some wheels and keep them in your cellar.
I like your idea Sbrintz! :-) That absolutely works
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Re: Leaving a car without license plate outside?

I recently left my old car, with valid plates but slightly leaking cooling water, on the road for 5 days. On day 3 I was called by the police because somebody called them. No problem there as it was only cooling water leaking.

Leaving your non-driveable car (e.g. without wheels) on your spot will be fine too, yet police are quite likely to be called, too, and try find the owner. So you should put your address and phone behind the windshield and also say the missing wheels are just fine, it's how you want it to be.

Plus, it would probably be a good idea to also inform your landlord/apartment agency.
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Old 04.04.2015, 10:48
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I recently left my old car, with valid plates but slightly leaking cooling water, on the road for 5 days. On day 3 I was called by the police because somebody called them. No problem there as it was only cooling water leaking.

Leaving your non-driveable car (e.g. without wheels) on your spot will be fine too, yet police are quite likely to be called, too, and try find the owner. So you should put your address and phone behind the windshield and also say the missing wheels are just fine, it's how you want it to be.

Plus, it would probably be a good idea to also inform your landlord/apartment agency.
Cooling water usualy has Mono Ethleyne Glycol (MEG) in it, commonly known as anti freeze, so no problem maybe an understimation

Especially as many cars need anti freeze in them all the year round....

Leaving your car with no plates in a PRIVATE parking space with no wheels is not a problem, leaving a car with no plates with or without wheels in a PUBLIC parking space is a problem.
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Cooling water usualy has Mono Ethleyne Glycol (MEG) in it, commonly known as anti freeze, so no problem maybe an understimation.
No, it's no problem.

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Old 04.04.2015, 11:07
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No, it's no problem.

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MEG in the water supply......no problem ?

The Austrians didn't like it in their wine and whilst it may not be a problem as such, it will almost certainly be perceived here by some over zealous official to be a problem.
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Re: Leaving a car without license plate outside?

The diethylene glycol scandal in Austria in 1985 was caused by adding MEG for its sweet taste (!) That needed a dosage that is at least 100,000 times higher than what could ever get into the public water supply from a leaking car.

Unless you pour the entire content of a big truck engine directly into the tiny cistern of your mountain cabin, that is. Which was not the case.
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MEG in the water supply......no problem ?

The Austrians didn't like it in their wine and whilst it may not be a problem as such, it will almost certainly be perceived here by some over zealous official to be a problem.
The car was standing on the road, the cooling water flowed into the sewage system (at least the portion that didn't evaporate directly, a bigger portion of MEG evaporates than water) and got cleaned by a wastewater treatment plant. No problem, unless you were to say that the additional load on the plant was one. And you can safely bet your ass that the police would have vetoed when they called me, had there really been a issue.

But just to be safe, let's take a look at the toxicity issue anyway:

1) Typical frost protection (up to -18° around here) is reached with MEG concentration of 30%.

2) According to wiki oral intake of 30ml MEG (0.04% [= 0.4 promille] of body weight of a 75kg person) are considered heavy intoxication, more than 100ml (0.133% of 75kg) are considered life threatening. Though perhaps a bit more toxic, that's reasonably close to toxicity of ordinary alcohol (spirits). So, it takes 3dl (0.3 liter) of 30%-MEG liquid to reach life threatening levels with oral intake.

I don't know where you're coming from, but if you get that kind of amount from a wet area (not a puddle/pool with actual liquid, just a wet spot on the tarmac) you've got much more serious and urgent problems than your MEG intake. Not just some addiction problem and probably mental health issues, but also no longer having a tongue.
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The car was standing on the road, the cooling water flowed into the sewage system (at least the portion that didn't evaporate directly, a bigger portion of MEG evaporates than water) and got cleaned by a wastewater treatment plant. No problem, unless you were to say that the additional load on the plant was one. And you can safely bet your ass that the police would have vetoed when they called me, had there really been a issue.

But just to be safe, let's take a look at the toxicity issue anyway:

1) Typical frost protection (up to -18° around here) is reached with MEG concentration of 30%.

2) According to wiki oral intake of 30ml MEG (0.04% [= 0.4 promille] of body weight of a 75kg person) are considered heavy intoxication, more than 100ml (0.133% of 75kg) are considered life threatening. Though perhaps a bit more toxic, that's reasonably close to toxicity of ordinary alcohol (spirits). So, it takes 3dl (0.3 liter) of 30%-MEG liquid to reach life threatening levels with oral intake.

I don't know where you're coming from, but if you get that kind of amount from a wet area (not a puddle/pool with actual liquid, just a wet spot on the tarmac) you've got much more serious and urgent problems than your MEG intake. Not just some addiction problem and probably mental health issues, but also no longer having a tongue.

I did say "perceived by some over zealous official".....
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