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Help to choose a car for small family

Hi all!

I've briefly looked through treads, but still would like to get some advice from more experienced people.

So me and my wife - we decided to buy a used car for ~5k budget. And the first thing happened with us - we got completely lost on market.
After a brief study of it, turned out that for this money we could get either relatively new (less than 5 years and less than 50k km) budget car (a la Citroen C1) or some elder but much cooler stuff (I've put my eye on Toyota celica, 2001, 110k km).
I'm complete rookie in buying cars (it's my wife who drive, anyway), so on the first sight I would say that the only difference in money we spend on it is in road tax (~200chf difference/year) and money on gas (~300 chf assuming 10k km/year).
Being a bit more experienced in car business, my wife pointed out that there also can be a risk that the car with mileage > 100k can start to decay instantly. And here is the first point I want to ask your opinion. In Switzerland, what is the typical life time of a car?
Another question - didn't I miss some hidden spendings in my calculations?
Final one - what type of a car would you suggest for this budget, assuming that there is a high risk for us to leave Switzerland in a couple of years and we will sell the car in this case?

Sorry for such long post, hope for your advice.
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Re: Help to choose a car for small family

Something to think about: we switched to car renting - which was a wonderful choice for us. I can have any kind of car on the weekend. All the well known car problems do not exist for us.
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Re: Help to choose a car for small family

Thought about it. Unfortunately, we live in lovely place called Vallorbe and there are no car rental services nearby (at least, I'm not aware of them). So in order to rent a car we need to spend ~40 minutes on train in one way, which is quite uncomfortable.
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Re: Help to choose a car for small family

Keep in mind that many of the " newer" cars with the tiny engines are now starting to fail left and right. like your C1 and the like . 100k km is Alot for these things. 1.2-1.4 L.

at 5 k I would look at golf's or something like that. They are proven to run and last a long time. So do older Mercs, Bmw's, Subarus etc . Tons of them really

5k is not a great budget for a perfect car but if you are lucky you can get away with it. You might have to start learning about cars though to fix things yourself.

High miles does not really mean they are at the end of their rope. often they are in better shape than the low miles older cars since these were used over short distances, start stop traffic, etc

for the price I also would recommend to buy private and get alot more for your money. the used market here is sooooo overpriced and often the 2nd hand dealers bandaided the crap out of the cars to get them out.

If you want some more suggestions you need to let us know what it will be used for, what restrictions (300hp vs 150 hp etc) and what style of car (hatch, kombi, sedan, etc)
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Re: Help to choose a car for small family

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If you want some more suggestions you need to let us know what it will be used for, what restrictions (300hp vs 150 hp etc) and what style of car (hatch, kombi, sedan, etc)
As I see at this moment, there are two use cases for the car: ride between cities a couple of times per week and small weekend trips in France/Switzerland. So no off-road and almost no city traffic. Style of car - I think it is in general irrelevant, but hatchback is less preferable. Concerning restrictions - I don't think that we need monster car, so I would say that the range is about 100 +/- 50 hp.
What else? Well I think that low running costs are quite important, i was thinking about ~2k w/o insurance (is it even real?)
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We have already considered Mobility option, and if we would have it at Vallorbe, it would be out of question. But unfortunately, the closest station is still quite far from us.
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(I've put my eye on Toyota celica, 2001, 110k km)..
As a younger single guy, I enjoyed v.much my Celica, which wasn't a huge money pit either.

With even a small family, my wife would have poked out any eye that I put on one as she would say it's too old and impractical for transporting offspring.

Without doubt, you'll have gone to autoscout already, set the filters on age, km etc. At upto 100km and 2010 onwards, there's probably 100 or so cars across all Switzerland priced at CHF 5k or below.

For me, getting the newest and best condition car we could afford was more important than the number of km's.
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We have already considered Mobility option, and if we would have it at Vallorbe, it would be out of question. But unfortunately, the closest station is still quite far from us.
A couple of options for you:
- There are 2 Yaris for sale on the forum. At 2k you'll struggle to go wrong with them
- This AS link gives you the slim pickings within 20km of your location with a valid MFK.
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You always have to bring the Mobility car back to the parking place. So take the bus or the train to the next Mobility place. Drive back, pick up the family and go for your drive.

The Mobilty price includes everything, including fuel, but you must leave it clean.
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of having a car? Sounds like a pain to do for the OP!
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Re: Help to choose a car for small family

Some news.
I've checked private sector and found this add. I've connected with the seller and he told me that this is imported car with all taxed payed in good condition with no damages and he sells it since he is coming back to England. Of course, I've asked about MFK, but what do you think? Isn't it fraud (looks like a little bit too good to be true)? In general, what should I look at buying car privately?
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Re: Help to choose a car for small family

With 5000 CHF I would

- avoid cars with small, turbocharged engines. They are working very hard to save the world some CO2, but are not made to last. Not all small engines are bad though. Small Japanese engines from the 90ies, in cars such as Toyota Yaris or Nissan Micra 1.0i or 1.3i are known to run for 300-500k trouble free kilometers. With modern small turbocharged engines expect half of that lifetime.

- Stay away from cheap diesel cars. They are often cheap for a reason. Injectors, high pressure fuel pumps, dual mass flywheel, turbocharger, particle filter – these are all relatively common failures starting at around 150-200kkm and if you get one of those failures, your 5k car will quickly become a 8-10k car. Also don’t buy a diesel if you only drive short distances. It’s false economy.

- Buy from a private person, not a dealer. Dealer’s 5k car is a 3k car + markup.
- Very carefully check that the car is rust free (even if the car has recent MFK)
- Think about how long you will use the car and how much you drive. If it is 10kkm per year as you say, do not be afraid of relatively high mileage cars. 100k-150k is pretty safe with most cars, and with only 10k planned per year it will be reliable for several years to come.

And most important – buy a car you like, not a car you consider a good deal. I would cry myself to bed every night if somebody forced me to drive a Skoda.
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Fiat Panda 4x4, indestructable.

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And most important – buy a car you like, not a car you consider a good deal. I would cry myself to bed every night if somebody forced me to drive a Skoda.
Actually as Skoda's are basically VWs with a slightly uglier skin they are well worth a look imo.
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Actually as Skoda's are basically VWs with a slightly uglier skin they are well worth a look imo.
I don't mind looking. I just wouldn't want to drive one :-).
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Re: Help to choose a car for small family

I dont know zip about cars but my friend bought a 7 seat vw touran with less than 150k km for about 5.5k chf and it seems like a nice car for his family of 3
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Fiat Panda 4x4, indestructable.

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This is the best advice really.
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Re: Help to choose a car for small family

Check out a Ford Focus. There are ton of them on the market, so I think you can negotiate price very easily for a relatively new model with not so many Kms. Big boot for its class, decent engine (especially 2.0 models), and they look good and are dependable if you treat them right (fluid changes when you should etc.). Mine is going on 4 years at 130K now and so far, zero issues, and its fun to drive.
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an old Mercedes S-class diesel. Just don't drive it in the rain.
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Re: Help to choose a car for small family

Just saw an incredible deal here on EF

Mazda Tribute 3L Petrol V6 in Zurich For Sale


Yes it is a bigger engine etc but that is CHEAP
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Mine is going on 4 years at 130K now and so far, zero issues, and its fun to drive.
Mine, 16 years and 170k.

In the meantime, I've put an equal amount on the bikes.

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