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Re: How to overcome flying phobia?

As others have said Alcohol is a definite no no - apart from all the reasons stated above, if the gate staff think you have had too much to drink then they will deny you boarding.

BA also do a fear of flying course, which also includes an actual flight

As do Swiss Air in both Zurich and Geneva
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Re: How to overcome flying phobia?

1200chf!!!
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Old 17.04.2015, 20:05
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1200chf!!!
Well I pay 500chf for a two day massage course…. that doesn't include meals and a flight for only 6-12 people! Good value I think, worth it if it means you can get out and travel the world.
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Re: How to overcome flying phobia?

The last fear of flying course I know of had a technical problem delaying departure then a rejected take off.... don't think it helped...
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Re: How to overcome flying phobia?

That's not helpful at all when the place you go for help has issues.
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Re: How to overcome flying phobia?

I was born with an utterly crippling fear of flying, sufficient to result in severe allergic reactions every time I was forced to fly as a child. what worked for me - besides starting a career that requires frequent air travel - was always sitting in a window seat, where I can see the ground during take-off and can see the ground well in advance of landing. this is especially critical on international flights, where the longer time in the air really messes up my senses when it comes time to land. it has also helped to establish a routine, READ: superstitions, about flying, which fools my pea brain into believing that I have some semblance of control over the situation, e.g. I still travel with the same laptop bag I have had for over 15 years, I never drink alcohol before or during a flight, at certain airports I always have the same pre-flight food, I always use the restroom immediately before boarding, etc.

good luck to your husband, my wife was raised by a pilot and - despite my own phobia about flying - it has now reached the point where I like flying more than she does.

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Old 17.04.2015, 21:10
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Re: How to overcome flying phobia?

When I was 20+ hours into my flight training, I undertook my first long solo cross country, VFR navigation to three airports (landing at each) and about 3 hrs.

The first leg was from Santa Monica to Mojave, involving quite high altitude flying to the clear the mountains that border the start of the Mojave dessert - only slightly lower than the altitude when oxygen would be required.
I had started at about 9.00 in the morning (after the sea mist had cleared), and as I started to cross the mountains the air was warming and rising rapidly, at the same time meeting with the strong, dry winds coming across the dessert. Needless to say, this created a strong turbulence over the mountains, tossing a small car sized Cessna, with only one of the four seats occupied, here, there and everywhere.

Keeping control was interesting, with limited experience.

As a combination of buffeting around, thinnish air, anxiety and having already consumed a doubly concentrated powdered energy drink (concentration was unknown to me, as my wife thought double strength would be helpful), my stomach suddenly had the urge to expel it's over-acidic contents.
Fortunately, I had a plastic bag to hand, so whilst fighting with the controls, and hoping my trimming would hold long enough for me to use two hands to hold the bag, I evacuated the liquid contents of my otherwise empty stomach.

..... and got away with it - not spilling a drop and the plane still dirty side down, and the air starting to settle down.

All was good, apart from a bag of bile between my legs. With still a couple of hours to go, it seemed a good idea to jettison it.
However, if I needed to use the bag again and didn't want to litter the Mojave dessert with plastic bags, I decided the best option was to open the 2CV style flap window and empty the contents into the air.

BIG MISTAKE - travelling through the air at about 100mph, and trying to empty the liquid contents of a bag out of a window, just aint going to work out well .... and it didn't.

Well, I made all the airports, safely completed the trip ....... and now have no concerns about turbulence - especially in a 'heavy'.

Myself and the cabin, didn't 'arf pen and ink, though - and both needed a good clean and fumigate afterwards.
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For me, my fear of flying is not at all about losing of control, but the fear of death (esp. death in a very tragic way). When I'm in the plane I imagine the scenario where my body is torn in pieces by explosion in the air, or thrown to the mountain...
That's actually quite very common thought! Lots of people think about this.
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Old 17.04.2015, 22:21
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Re: How to overcome flying phobia?

Good news is ..... tens of 1000's of people who flew today, didn't die.
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Old 17.04.2015, 23:22
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As do Swiss Air in both Zurich and Geneva
I did the Geneva one a few years ago and would strongly recommend it to French speakers, it was really good. The difficult bit is keeping the confidence going afterwards by flying regularly, in which I have failed totally - but that's not the fault of the training.
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Old 17.04.2015, 23:32
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Good news is ..... tens of 1000's of people who flew today, didn't die.
^This. Sounds flippant, but it's not. OP, have you or your husband ever spent any time on flightradar24.com? Look at how many planes are in the sky at any given time and think how that is repeated day after day. It's not news anymore that thousands of flights take off and land without problems.

Yes, there were some pretty odd and awful stories in the last year, and they sure stand out in the mind. However statistically it was one of the safest on record: http://news.aviation-safety.net/2015...g-to-asn-data/.

My fear is not for myself; if it's my time then that's how it goes. However I am always nervous when my loved ones fly and often track their flights from takeoff to landing even if it means I lose sleep. We all have our quirks.

I can only echo what others have said about flying lessons and learning how planes work. They are fascinating pieces of engineering!
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Old 17.04.2015, 23:34
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Re: How to overcome flying phobia?

Yes def no alcohol!!!! I was never afraid of flying until I had kids, then one time I had a panic attack, it was really unpleasant and the next time I got diazepam (valium) from my GP. It really helps a lot would be very dangerous with alcohol though! I try not to use it any more (as I was worrying about being "on drugs" in front of my children) I have managed without the past 4 times, and hoping to be ok without for the 4 I have booked this year. However I did find it very effective and it's not like you are really on drugs (I just had irrational anxiety over it which had become more than the anxiety over the actual flying!) Another piece of advice is to avoid caffiene completely, it's REALLY bad for anxiety. Good luck! x

Edit to add, try meditation techniques, Sam Harris does a really good simple one (mindfulness) you can watch it on YouTube x
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Old 17.04.2015, 23:47
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Well I wouldn't recommend alcohol - fear and alcohol is not a good mix and if he's that wound up about flying the inhibitions that alcohol makes you lose may not bode well.
Rubbish, get bladdered works for me and I have no fear of flying..
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Old 17.04.2015, 23:48
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Re: How to overcome flying phobia?

When I first started to fly as a child, I loved it. In my 30's, I started to fear it (I think I was anxious about everything). But my husband loves to travel, we both had to travel for work, and after we married we moved far away from both our families. So I had to get used to it again.

I do think that understanding a bit about flight - reading factual descriptions of the actions involved, and possibly having a course helps too.

Like crazygringo, I find that a routine helps a lot. I also sit in a window seat when I can, and especially if I'm travelling alone. A plane is claustrophobic and the window seat gives me a bit more room. And when I first sit down, I think about the plane taking off, flying in an arc and landing at the destination. It's a silly ritual, but it helps me relax. I make sure my iphone/ipad are charged, I have earphones and gum or hard candy to suck on, and often bring water if I remember. You can get dehydrated on an airplane and that can make you feel worse.

I do take drugs - Trimesta or ativan are good, although I take xanax - 125 mg, which is half of the smallest pill available. It makes me calm and sleepy. I never drink alcohol, I try to eat lightly and I drink as much water as I can. This is sometimes a problem sitting in a window seat, but getting up makes you walk around a little. I listen to books - I find that it's easier to concentrate. Also movies are good - if you have an iPad, put your favourite on to watch. I have a few books I listen to regularly - my favourite is Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice. It's very familiar and so I can both concentrate and relax. Some people prefer music... you have to find what works for you.

I learned to meditate for other reasons - basically, breathing exercises, and I do them when I fly sometimes, and there are relaxation exercises you can do while sitting - tightening and relaxing different muscle groups. These work for some people.

I find that having a little ritual, or routine makes flying more regular. My father commuted from Pittsburgh to New York weekly in the 1960's and 1970's and flew all over the US regularly. He sat down in the plane, listened to the engines and fell asleep. It was almost meditative for him. This never worked for me.

In the short term, though, if your anxiety is severe, I think the best thing is to take something to calm you down and listen to a book. I've never taken a class, but if my anxiety got much worse, I probably would have. With practice, it does get better. Good luck!
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Re: How to overcome flying phobia?

I've used air transport a lot, but then I started learning about reliability of complex systems (not airplanes, but complex none-the-less, and well, failing) and now I'll not fly unless I really have to. And General Aviation is about 10x unsafer than commercial airliners, so I'd never get into a small airplane anyway.
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Re: How to overcome flying phobia?

Don't forget that taking drugs like Valium and such for relaxation and sleepiness can be a problem in a real emergency...Alcohol as well.
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My OH has an extreme fear of flying.

Now we will take a 9-hour flight. Are there some good methods to relief the scare?
Why not book a very short practice flight on EasyJet, preferably on his own. For CHF70, he could fly to Berlin mid afternoon and then back again the same evening. No bags, no jacket. Just a ticket, passport and maybe something to read.
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xanax - 125 mg, which is half of the smallest pill available.
Are you sure that's the right amount? I'd imagine 125mg of xanax would kill you!? It's 10x more powerful than valium and the largest pill of valium is only 10mg (the ones I took were only 2mg). Could it have been 125µg?

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Don't forget that taking drugs like Valium and such for relaxation and sleepiness can be a problem in a real emergency...Alcohol as well.
That's why I stopped, my mind was intruded with thoughts of something going tits up and me being doped up and not able to be there for them! That worry started to overtake the original worry

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Yes def no alcohol!!!! I was never afraid of flying until I had kids,
The same with me. I use to love to fly, until I started flying with my kids, and we had an engine outage over the Pacific Ocean. I don't mind flying on my own, but I tense up when I fly with my family.
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This helped me quite a bit
Really? I have a PPL and therefore a rough idea how air traffic works. If anything do I have more fear of flying in a commercial plane than before... (fun fact: there are co-pilots in Europe who are paying the airlines to let them fly and gather experience in the hope the get employment as pilots later on. Not naming companies, but it's the budget ones. Would you want to fly with a guy who thinks that he is the customer?)
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