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Safety in the Train Stations

I am sure most of you heard about the tragic events on the 24 April in Kloten Bahnhof. A poor 1 year old baby lost its life because there is just not enough warning when the high speed cargo trains shoot past!

Please take the time to sign this petition then pass it on and hopefully we can prevent something like this from happening again...

https://www.change.org/p/schweizer-b...-werden-können
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Old 27.04.2015, 08:17
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Re: Saftey in the Train Stations

It was the 23rd April. Before signing any petition, I'd like to know

1) Who is organising the petition?
2) What will be done with the petition.
3) Where it has been confirmed that the tragedy occurred because "not enough warning" was given.
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Re: Saftey in the Train Stations

In general, maybe everywhere, stations warn that a through train is due.
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Old 27.04.2015, 08:40
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Re: Saftey in the Train Stations

How was this the fault of the train, and not the fault of the parent?

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Old 27.04.2015, 08:48
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Re: Saftey in the Train Stations

As a child, I was always warned not to stand too close to the platform, when a fast train came through, it case it sucked me off.
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As a child, I was always warned not to stand too close to the platform, when a fast train came through, it case it sucked me off.
The risk of being sucked off at train stations is a real concern.
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Re: Saftey in the Train Stations

I would really like to apologise for my original post. It was quite late when I posted and I noticed those mistakes just after I submitted! I am also sorry for my lack of further information, you are absolutely right in asking.

1) The creator of the petition is a close friend of the mother who lost the child
2) I believe the petition will be sent, along with a letter, directly to SBB not demanding anything, but asking that some thought be put into this matter and investigate if the warning system, especially in the smaller stations are adequate.
3) I am sure its not in any official statement directly linked to this incident, but only sign the petition if you agree, as i really do, that there must be better warning.
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I would really like to apologise for my original post. It was quite late when I posted and I noticed those mistakes just after I submitted! I am also sorry for my lack of further information, you are absolutely right in asking.

1) The creator of the petition is a close friend of the mother who lost the child
2) I believe the petition will be sent, along with a letter, directly to SBB not demanding anything, but asking that some thought be put into this matter and investigate if the warning system, especially in the smaller stations are adequate.
3) I am sure its not in any official statement directly linked to this incident, but only sign the petition if you agree, as i really do, that there must be better warning.
Until the full circumstances surrounding the incident are known I can't see how a petition will help. Swiss stations include announcements for "passing trains" and feature a white line in accordance with regulation with regards to bling passengers. Based on the information to date blame can not be apportioned to the SBB.

What more is the petition expecting the SBB to do?
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Until the full circumstances surrounding the incident are known I can't see how a petition will help. Swiss stations include announcements for "passing trains" and feature a white line in accordance with regulation with regards to bling passengers. Based on the information to date blame can not be apportioned to the SBB.

What more is the petition expecting the SBB to do?
Blame is a strong word, I am sure they are not blaming SBB. My hope would be that if enough concerned people sign it, SBB would thoroughly investigate how efficient these warning signals are in the smaller stations like Kloten, where the width of the platform is an issue.
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Re: Safety in the Train Stations

I signed it.
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Blame is a strong word, I am sure they are not blaming SBB. My hope would be that if enough concerned people sign it, SBB would thoroughly investigate how efficient these warning signals are in the smaller stations like Kloten, where the width of the platform is an issue.
How efficient? The answer is how many people are accidently killed by passing trains at stations. Platform width is not the issue, it is being within the clearly marked area AFTER an announcement has been made that is the issue.

Information at present is the parent was operating a ticket machine when the accident occurred. Would moving ticket and vending machines off platforms help?
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How efficient? The answer is how many people are accidently killed by passing trains at stations. Platform width is not the issue, it is being within the clearly marked area AFTER an announcement has been made that is the issue.

Information at present is the parent was operating a ticket machine when the accident occurred. Would moving ticket and vending machines off platforms help?


There have been a number of such accidents all over the world recently at train stations. Methinks it would be better if all prams and wheelchairs were fitted with permanent brakes - where the pram can only be moved while a brake hand lever is constantly pulled. Steep hills would also be of less danger. In the case of Kloten it was sheerly unfortunate that a goods through train came along at that very second. Goods trains aren't all that often.
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Old 27.04.2015, 10:13
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Re: Safety in the Train Stations

The reports linked in the petition clearly state that it hasn't been determined yet what actually caused the tragic accident.

As dodgyken has pointed out, the "Vorsicht Zugsdurchfahrt" (or similar) announcements are common practice at SBB.
Everything else is just speculation at this time.
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Information at present is the parent was operating a ticket machine when the accident occurred. Would moving ticket and vending machines off platforms help?
No, but removing trains from stations would.

Or passengers.

Or both.
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Re: Safety in the Train Stations

This is a well-known problem, perhaps not adequately publicised. Here's a case last year in London, with less tragic result: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/v...n-tracks-video

My grandfather lost a leg late in life falling under a (Swiss) train he ran to catch. That problem was solved, more or less, by installing automatic doors that make it useless to run after a moving train.

It's hard to educate people to anticipate all risks. I know when I am escorting a grandchild in a pushchair, as I do most days, anything can go wrong. The February tragedy in Bath involved an ignorant, new lorry driver of a dump truck (tipper lorry) rushing downhill and its brakes failing: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-31359495

But such deaths of children happen every day in the USA without attracting as much attention: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=lorry%20do...killed%20child

What can one say? The slogan "A moment of neglect, A lifetime of regret" is well known. It was used, years ago, to keep passengers in British trains, in the day when every facing pair of seats had its own exit door, to stop passengers from opening the door before the train stopped and striking a passenger waiting on the platform.
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Old 27.04.2015, 22:28
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Re: Safety in the Train Stations

When we were still using strollers for our kids, I always put the stroller parallel to the tracks and in the centre of the platform - and between two bits of platform furniture.

That way, there wouldn't be a problem if it rolled away. I almost did it subconsciously.
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