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I wouldn't be too sure of that. Another friend received a letter at her UK address from the strassenverkehrsamt in Zurich. It said that she had been out of Switzerland fir more than a year and she had to either register the car in her new place of residence or bring the car back into Switzerland. She also had to pay the car tax for the following year ( as the date for payment had elapsed even though the current tax was still valid) or risk her car being impounded at the border.

The only way they could have obtained her UK address was from the de registration and if the car registration people know the insurers probably do too.

She also received the letter for the tax refund at her UK address with the possibility of having it paid into a foreign bank account.
There are several ways that Swiss government agencies handle skip tracing. The most obvious is that in order to get off the communal and cantonal tax register, a Swiss citizen will normally want to register with the consular office at the new country. A non-citizen will at least de-register with the commune.

Interestingly, the Web sites of many or most Swiss embassies abroad contain a warning that if a departing citizen does not advise the cantonal motor vehicle office of new contact information, any notice (for example the requirement to undergo a driver's physical exam at age 70 and every 2 years thereafter) may be published in the Federal Gazette (Feuille féderale) and that such constructive notice can lead to penalties. https://www.dfae.admin.ch/countries/...abmeldung.html

(Since only an approved doctor can perform the physical and the exam has to be within a fixed period (2 months I think I read, and the deadline can only be extended by 1 month) a driver abroad may be unable to drive. And if s/he doesn't send the license back for cancellation could be penalised as well. http://www.ocn.ch/fr/pub/prestations...le_medical.htm )
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All true. But think about if it was allowed. A dutchman who wants a ferrari is subject to high taxes, bvg etc. if you were allowed to drive a non eu tax paid car in eu then he could buy car here and pay 12% taxes escaping all local taxes...

It is simple tax evasion.
Forget the Ferrari, as for which there are special permits for auto shows and antique cars and all the rest. Including EU diplomats assigned to Geneva or Berne and driving back to their own country on holiday.

The unsolvable conundrum is the dual resident, say London and Zurich, who can't drive his UK car in Switzerland or his Swiss car in the UK.
http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_pri...x.html?lang=fr
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/g...tered-vehicles

Assuming I read those right. My friend whom I mentioned says his company has customs brokers who do whatever has to be done. Including trade plates. The trouble is that laws designed to prevent tax evasion can put the average person in an impossible situation. Like the case I cited of trying to get a car with an expired MOT back to England.

Here are some UK rules on temporary import, including one use of "Q" number plates: http://business.wales.gov.uk/govuk/i...-within-the-eu

Here are the French rules ("WW" plates): http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/p...s/F15084.xhtml

There's stuff here from the German auto club on informal imports of cars from Switzerland and elsewhere:
https://www.adac.de/infotestrat/fahr...?prevPageNFB=1
(I was looking for Zollkennzeichen -- I had them on a car once -- but I leave it to others whose German is better than mine to see how stuff really works in Germany.)

I'm sure other EU countries have comparable systems for temporary entry, and for purchases of new cars to be registered in another country.
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Thanks all. I'll give Service cantonal des véhicules a try and and see what they say (hopefully my french is up to it). And yup, my car insurance is valid into 2016 for the car. Thing is that my contents insurance is with the same insurance company so I need to give them my de-registration documents to cancel that policy (or continue paying for contents cover while I need the car but without the address). So they will know that I've de-registered if I say to them about contents insurance at the date I leave to travel. I'll maybe also try speaking to someone else at the insurance company
I doubt the insurance will notice, the contents insurance costs peanuts. Just pay then tell them you left later & they will refund
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Re: Swiss Car, Swiss Insurance - driving after given up flat/left Switzerland

Yes. Speak to Iczkovits Tax Free Cars AG. They are the experts.
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Re: Swiss Car, Swiss Insurance - driving after given up flat/left Switzerland

My daughter's Swiss plated scooter is kept in Italy, as is one of my Swiss plated bikes, and she lives in California.

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My daughter's Swiss plated scooter is kept in Italy, as is one of my Swiss plated bikes, and she lives in California.

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As a Californian she can drive in the EU for upto 6 months a year as a tourist.
How they control the entry and exit of the vehicle is anyone's guess.
Especially when the bikes are out of sight in a garage.
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As a Californian she can drive in the EU for upto 6 months a year as a tourist.
As a Swiss, she can drive in the EU as much as she wants.

But first she'll have to get a license.

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Re: Swiss Car, Swiss Insurance - driving after given up flat/left Switzerland

A swiss car can only travel uninterrupted for 6 months in the EU as a tourist.
She can drive as much as she wants. But not in a swiss car (officially).
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Re: Swiss Car, Swiss Insurance - driving after given up flat/left Switzerland

Has anyone given thought to whether a car can be registered simultaneously in more than one European country (leaving aside whether Swiss norms are compatible with those of any other country).

I once had an estate car registered as a commercial vehicle in New York and as a passenger car in New Jersey. Not totally unusual, and once when my car (a different one) was struck from behind by what turned out to be an unmarked police car, I recognised instantly that it might be that because it had valid inspection stickers (i.e. MOT) from both NY and NJ. (I ran into the same guy a few minutes later at the NY Police Property Clerk's office where I had some business so his cover was blown anyway.)

North American tractor trailers (articulated lorries) are often registered in more than one state because of tax obligations.

As for private vehicles, there are retired people who live out of their Winnebago campers and have no permanent address at all. They tend to register the RV and get driving licenses from wherever they can find someone who will lend them an address.

In Europe the insurance issue might be insurmountable. I know that insurers who cover US Forces in Europe do not restrict movement of an insured vehicle. But I've seen lots of complaints by British motorists that they can't easily get extended Continental cover.

Here's a fact situation: Under the Rush Portuguesa case of the ECJ http://www.biicl.org/files/1957_c-113-89.pdf a non-EU/EEA/Swiss citizen (i.e. a third-country national) can be assigned by an employer to work in another EU country for up to a year. What about that employee's car, after 6 months?

Just wondering.
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Has anyone given thought to whether a car can be registered simultaneously in more than one European country (leaving aside whether Swiss norms are compatible with those of any other country).

I once had an estate car registered as a commercial vehicle in New York and as a passenger car in New Jersey. Not totally unusual, and once when my car (a different one) was struck from behind by what turned out to be an unmarked police car, I recognised instantly that it might be that because it had valid inspection stickers (i.e. MOT) from both NY and NJ. (I ran into the same guy a few minutes later at the NY Police Property Clerk's office where I had some business so his cover was blown anyway.)

North American tractor trailers (articulated lorries) are often registered in more than one state because of tax obligations.

As for private vehicles, there are retired people who live out of their Winnebago campers and have no permanent address at all. They tend to register the RV and get driving licenses from wherever they can find someone who will lend them an address.

In Europe the insurance issue might be insurmountable. I know that insurers who cover US Forces in Europe do not restrict movement of an insured vehicle. But I've seen lots of complaints by British motorists that they can't easily get extended Continental cover.

Here's a fact situation: Under the Rush Portuguesa case of the ECJ http://www.biicl.org/files/1957_c-113-89.pdf a non-EU/EEA/Swiss citizen (i.e. a third-country national) can be assigned by an employer to work in another EU country for up to a year. What about that employee's car, after 6 months?

Just wondering.
An employee working in a country is not a tourist, but a resident of a new country, so it's upto a year.
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