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Old 09.05.2015, 12:14
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Re: Leave your car and ride an e-bike for 2 weeks! Come on EF-ers!

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The battery is integrated in the wheel which can only be found on Chinese wholesale sites. They did not of course tell me that when I bought it & they have since closed down. We took it to various E bike places (wrote on another thread already). Only thing they suggest is adding a whole new battery externally which will cost chf 1,000 + make it even heavier.
The only advice I got was scrap it & buy a new bike with an external battery (Bosch).
the two options for motors (and not batteries) are:
- crank motor (Bosch model)
- rear wheel hub motor

The battery should be always "outside" the wheel and easy to remove and put back.
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Re: Leave your car and ride an e-bike for 2 weeks! Come on EF-ers!

The motor is in the front wheel. The battery is in the back wheel... as per the original spec when I bought it, which at the time was the latest in new designs.

People just need to be aware that there is a shelf life for these things. It can cost up to a thousand francs to fit a new battery after a few years & you might find yourself with a model that they no longer sell or repair. It is an evolving product.*

Which electric bike is good in Switzerland ?
http://www.new-bikestore.com/e-bikes section « Les vélos électriques à éviter (ou comment ne pas se faire piéger)

The advice says don't buy from department stores (Migros, Landi, Jumbo) but the review is written by a private bike shop anyway.

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"Est-ce que je trouverai des batteries compatibles avec mon moteur dans 3 ans, 6 ans, etc... ?C'est évidemment une question de grande importance ! Nous avons dans notre sous-sol des vélos électriques de marque ayant disparue du marché, et qui sont inutilisables faute de batteries compatibles ! C'est pourquoi, une fois de plus, nous ne vendons plus que des moteurs/batteries Panasonic, Bosch, Samsung, avec la certitude de pouvoir compter sur des pièces détachées (et donc des batteries) sur du long terme. Il est bien entendu que ces grands fabricants vont proposer des batteries de plus en plus performantes.

Pour parler de Bosch par exemple, les nouveaux moteurs et batteries 2014 ne sont pas compatibles avec les moteurs 2011 / 2012 et 2013. Mais les pièces détachées seront livrables jusqu'en 2022 d'après leurs prévisions... Cette précision quant au stockage des pièces détachées n'est de loin pas la norme."
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Old 09.05.2015, 22:02
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Re: Leave your car and ride an e-bike for 2 weeks! Come on EF-ers!

I probably wouldn't trade my car keys for an electric bike but I look at e-bikes as on par with the invention of the washing machine! They are just so super. They make biking so much easier especially with a dog/kid trailer and especially in ch, there are so many bike trails to enjoy.
A year on and i still love my aldi middle motor e-bike. At hoffer.at they are selling the ebike mittelmotor again as of 090515 which usually means they will be available at aldi-suisse a month or two later.

Its taken any stress out of cycling so you use the bike more. get that sunshine and vitamin D, get fit, lose weight as much or as little as you want. I love it. And its a great family activity item too because if one of you is stronger fitter than the other you can match efforts with the motor.

yay anyway that they are promoting e-bikes.
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Old 10.05.2015, 11:47
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Re: Leave your car and ride an e-bike for 2 weeks! Come on EF-ers!

I find the idea fantastic, a type of win-win activity. For the public there are obvious benefits, depending in each one particular situation. For the retailer, it represents a push on their e-bikes sales, as many of these test drives will convert into sales.

I wonder if they would also take motorcycle or Vespa keys? The website only mentions Autoschlüssel, not sure about Motorrad.
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Re: Leave your car and ride an e-bike for 2 weeks! Come on EF-ers!

Can I bring keys of a car which is not here in CH?

Free e-bike ftw!
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Re: Leave your car and ride an e-bike for 2 weeks! Come on EF-ers!

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the two options for motors (and not batteries) are:
- crank motor (Bosch model)
- rear wheel hub motor
Or front wheel hub motor. Not so common in purpose-made e-bikes, but the easiest add-on by far, in terms of cost, fitting effort and complexity.

I was looking at the idea a year or three back when I couldn't quite make some of the hills on my 25km ride home, such that a round trip would essentially cripple me for two or three says. A little help on the hills would have helped, but instead I eventually managed, mainly through skiing, to get my fitness levels over that particular hurdle, so perhaps it's good that I didn't go down the electro-assist route after all.
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Re: Leave your car and ride an e-bike for 2 weeks! Come on EF-ers!

I looked at getting a kit but apparently the registration of a home build isn't so easy.
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I looked at getting a kit but apparently the registration of a home build isn't so easy.
I wasn't going to bother. The smaller front hub motors are barely noticeable, not much bigger than a dynamo, and a small battery could be stowed on the rear rack. I was only going to use it for the steeper hills in France anyway.

But as I said the plan fell through when I got fit enough to cycle them properly without getting totally exhausted. Got the ride home down to 1h15, just an hour to come in, 25km and about 200m net rise on the way home. (But I'll never be as fit again as I was about 16 years ago, when I could regularly, like at least one way most days and often both, do the 20 miles between MK and S Bedford in under an hour.)

I may need to think about it again soon though, as I'm looking at some major knee surgery this year
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Re: Leave your car and ride an e-bike for 2 weeks! Come on EF-ers!

I'm just lazy and like tinkering so fits the bill. A front hub is the way to go and fitment is easy... licence plate.. oh it must have fallen off officer.
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Re: Leave your car and ride an e-bike for 2 weeks! Come on EF-ers!

It looks like there are various places where you can rent them to try out.
http://www.e-bike-park.ch/
http://www.juradreiseenland.ch/en/le...cles.2161.html
http://www.myvalleedejoux.ch/en/page.cfm/ete/ebike//

We did a train ride with rented scooters for a forest trail in the Jura a few years ago & it was excellent fun.
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I'm really not sure who this is aimed at - surely most folks who live close enough to work for an e-bike's range to be usable would just be able to use a pedal cycle anyway? Or a bus, tram or whatever.

As I understand it, effective range on most e-bikes tends to be in the 15-20km order, so a commute of less than 10km would be the maximum possible (unless you recharge during the day too), and surely anyone who can ride an e-bike, which needs you to pedal at all times anyway, can manage that sort of distance?
You're right, the choice of e-bike has to be made with care, taking into account the distance home-office, home-shops... Also, ranges are regularly increasing, thes products are improving fast.

I found here "real range" calculations for a number of e-bikes. Using a "20 watt hours per mile” average, which means not using the assist at full throttle. Real ranges span from 5.5 miles (8.8km) to +50 miles (80km). One example in the middle: the Swiss STROMER with a claimed range 20-45 miles (32-72km) and a "real range" of 18 miles (29km).

We are more in the 10-15km range for home-work travel
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Re: Leave your car and ride an e-bike for 2 weeks! Come on EF-ers!

Just a couple of points:

1) If you are returning to cycling with an e-bike please make sure you pay attention on the roads - especially for other cyclists. I have already been knocked off by an e-bikeist pulling out and wobbling into me.

2) Be aware of your e-bike speed - many can clock 40kmh with relative ease - I have witnessed many travelling at speeds which can make it difficult to overtake with a motor vehicle - this can cause traffic to back up.
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Old 13.05.2015, 13:25
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Re: Leave your car and ride an e-bike for 2 weeks! Come on EF-ers!

I find that 'Hell's Grannies' are the most dangerous.
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Re: Leave your car and ride an e-bike for 2 weeks! Come on EF-ers!

The TCS says that car drivers often underestimate the speed an e-bike is going which can be dangerous, either when they are overtaking you or you suddenly speed up.
They have a course you can go to.
https://www.tcs.ch/fr/le-club/pres-d...urs/E-bike.php
Someone can add the link to the Swiss German equivalent page.
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The equivalent course for German Switzerland is:

https://www.tcs.ch/de/kurse/e-bike.php
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I find the idea fantastic, a type of win-win activity. For the public there are obvious benefits, depending in each one particular situation. For the retailer, it represents a push on their e-bikes sales, as many of these test drives will convert into sales.

I wonder if they would also take motorcycle or Vespa keys? The website only mentions Autoschlüssel, not sure about Motorrad.
They also take motorcycle or vespa keys. The idea being to leave the fossil fuel intensive gadget at home for a while and see how life changes
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Re: Leave your car and ride an e-bike for 2 weeks! Come on EF-ers!

Already more than 500 people are testing an e-bike during 2 weeks and enjoying their freedom of movement. All over Switzerland: Geneva, Lausanne, Montreux, Chaux-de-Fonds, Martigny, Sierre, Bern, Winterthur and many more places

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