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Old 14.05.2015, 16:15
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Re: Car accident

in short, the bike has to assume car drivers (aka cagers) are going to do something silly and change lanes, make turns, etc.

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Re: Car accident

Motorbike driving rules
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Old 14.05.2015, 16:45
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A cyclist would be allowed to overtake in a cycle lane, in several French cantons motorbikes are tolerated by the police overtaking in cycle & bus lanes, if they did not congestion would be worse & traffic would hardly move in Geneva.
Assume nothing when it comes to Swiss Traffic Laws, they might turn a blind eye to certain things, until they don't and when they do you will feel the wrath of their obsession with rules, fines and admin costs!
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it's a death threat. I don't care how shocked he was or whether he may or may not have meant it, you go straight to the police and make sure they take it seriously. It's a crime in and of itself.
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Re: Car accident

I've had no meds today so I'm going to try a short journey to hopefully break the ice so to speak! The messages have been fab to read again, thanks so much.

Just to make you laugh, I learned to drive whilst living in the Isle of Man. Yes, the land of the bike, where every lesson, signpost etc says loudly 'think bike'.
Normally, everyone coexisted in harmony until TT week! I was one of those who went on holiday that week to escape the accidents. Oh the irony!

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Re: Car accident

Enjoy your drive, take it easy, you'll be fine.
Don't let some careless biker spoil it for you, he was just mouthing off.
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Re: Car accident

Just to update this.... The fault of the accident was deemed 50/50 between me and the biker.

I had a 200chf fine (& huge charges!) and I've got to surrender my licence for one month. This is the minimum penalty I could have got 'for crossing the white line'.

Bit perturbed now as I'm leaving the country for good so I haven't enough time to complete the entire ban in Switzerland. I've tried to call / email to ask what to do, e.g will they just post the licence on to the uk if I start the ban here, but I'm yet to receive a decision (as it's August & everyone's on hols).

So my nail biting continues.... But there you go. Watch out for bikers in case they decide to make use of cycle lanes, be careful if you get waved in and always check carefully when you have to give way....

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Just to update this.... The fault of the accident was deemed 50/50 between me and the biker.

I had a 200chf fine (& huge charges!) and I've got to surrender my licence for one month. This is the minimum penalty I could have got 'for crossing the white line'.

Bit perturbed now as I'm leaving the country for good so I haven't enough time to complete the entire ban in Switzerland. I've tried to call / email to ask what to do, e.g will they just post the licence on to the uk if I start the ban here, but I'm yet to receive a decision (as it's August & everyone's on hols).

So my nail biting continues.... But there you go. Watch out for bikers in case they decide to make use of cycle lanes, be careful if you get waved in and always check carefully when you have to give way....

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Thanks for the update - it is good to know how it ended.

As far as I know, motorbikes are absolutely not allowed to go into the cyclist lane unless:

a) They are turning right at an intersection _and_ the cyclist lane before the intersection is not a continuous line. In this case motorbikes are encouraged to hop into the cyclist lane to make sure cyclists can only be behind or in front of them.
b) A car is turning left and blocking the lane. In this case it can be overtaken from the right (by cars or motorbikes).

Motorbikes (perhaps some puny mopeds are an exception) are otherwise not allowed in the cyclist lane. Whether the local police tolerates this or not, if you are on a motorbike and you cause an accident in the cyclist lane outside of the above two scenarios, you will be bent over the barrel and shafted by the long hard **ck of the law (and insurance co's). The law treats category A motorbikes just like cars for most intents and purposes, so if a car is not allowed to do something, the chances are 99% the motorbike isn't allowed to do it either.

Lane splitting during queued up traffic on dual carriageways is a true grey area since the biker can claim that they were overtaking the cars in the right lane (which is allowed by the rules), but I think in case there is an accident, it is certainly not a done deal that the biker will be in the clear (e.g. one should not engage in overtaking in case this puts others in danger, etc...).
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Re: Car accident

How is it a grey area? It's not allowed.
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Re: Car accident

Seems pretty clear to me that both of them were considered equally at fault; hence the 50-50 split.
The motorcyclist has presumably also received a similar fine, permit withdrawn, etc.

Just be glad that no-one was seriously hurt, the punishment would have been a lot worse.
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Re: Car accident

The one that needs to learn most from this is the motorcyclist.

He has been lucky to be given another chance and needs to seriously up his game if he wants to keep on biking.

Most motorcyclists will tell you that you need to drive with a 'b' and 'c' plan to every scenerio. Expect every car to want to hit you and still be able to react.

He compromised his safety bubble and it cost him.
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