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Using your blinkers / turn indicators

Using your blinkers

Do you use your blinkers / turn indicators when turning right or left, when changing lanes,
when getting on or off the freeway?

If so, thank you.

If not, why?

So you know where I come from: “Using your blinkers is not aiding the enemy”.
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Old 02.06.2015, 08:50
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Re: Using your blinkers / turn indicators

Driving in the oppsoiete direction

When you're driving in the autobahn do you use your lane or do you go over to the opposite direction driving the wrong way down the road?

Actually that's not a fair comparison. If someone is driving in the wrong way, everybody n see him, avoid him, hopefully put him to jail. In your example you're more of a silent killer.


Other motorists are not enemies, they are people with families and friends that the are going to probably. It's not about aiding them, it's about not killing em...
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Old 02.06.2015, 09:00
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Re: Using your blinkers / turn indicators

This was a fun discussion:

Use your indicators
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Old 02.06.2015, 10:05
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Using your blinkers

Do you use your blinkers / turn indicators when turning right or left, when changing lanes,
when getting on or off the freeway?

If so, thank you.

If not, why?

So you know where I come from: “Using your blinkers is not aiding the enemy”.
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Let's hope we don't meet if you suddenly turn right across a cycle lane and I'm behind you. Seriously, did you take a driving test?
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Old 02.06.2015, 10:10
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Re: Using your blinkers / turn indicators

Meanwhile, in Germany,...

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/...ehen-1.2503201
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Old 02.06.2015, 10:16
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Re: Using your blinkers / turn indicators

No .... I've been here too long, and become too Swissified - as well as living in an area, with above average population of Portuguese and Spanish.

No - if there is no one in the immediate vicinity; if there is no one immediately behind on either lane of the autobahn; if going straight ahead at a roundabout, when that is the main carriageway (indicating to exit is a legal requirement) ..... I always signal when going left on a roundabout (dickheadedly, not a legal requirement).

I always signal when I see police.
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Let's hope we don't meet if you suddenly turn right across a cycle lane and I'm behind you. Seriously, did you take a driving test?
I don't understand? Are you suggesting he shouldn't indicate?

The OP seems to be praising those that indicate and wonders why those that don't don't. I think. I'm confused. Do they mean blinkers as in horse blinkers? That'd be a bad idea. I never drive with those. And I never use phenolphthalein at the wheel, I think lab experiments while driving is totally in appropriate. Oh god, I'm doing it all wrong.
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Re: Using your blinkers / turn indicators

As I have AG plates I believe I am absolved from most of the road rules as long as I drive slower than the flow of traffic and stay in the middle lane

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I don't understand? Are you suggesting he shouldn't indicate?

The OP seems to be praising those that indicate and wonders why those that don't don't. I think. I'm confused. Do they mean blinkers as in horse blinkers? That'd be a bad idea. I never drive with those. And I never use phenolphthalein at the wheel, I think lab experiments while driving is totally in appropriate. Oh god, I'm doing it all wrong.
You're right: thanks for pointing this out, in my haste I misread the angle. Good on the OP. I wish more would indicate, as on a daily basis I experience near death moments by those who think using indicators is "aiding the enemy".
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Old 02.06.2015, 12:02
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Re: Using your blinkers / turn indicators

Some of my bikes have blinkers, and some don't (they can legally be removed here), so if the bake has them, I use them, if it doesn't, I don't.

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Some of my bikes have blinkers, and some don't (they can legally be removed here), so if the bake has them, I use them, if it doesn't, I don't.

Tom
No, they cannot. If your bike did not have any (cause it's ancient) do you not need to add them, but removing them from a bike which came with them is illegal... but apparently hardly enforced. As usual: nobody cares till you have an accident.

In German, sorry: http://www.toeff-forum.ch/index.php?...&threadID=7056
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Old 02.06.2015, 12:23
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Re: Using your blinkers / turn indicators

isn't the whole point of camouflage to make the things difficult to see?

but I have difficulty imagining how she didn't hear them.
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Old 02.06.2015, 12:31
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No, they cannot. If your bike did not have any (cause it's ancient) do you not need to add them, but removing them from a bike which came with them is illegal...
It's perfectly legal to remove them, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to pass MFK.

Rule is, if they are mounted, they must work, but you can remove them if you wish.

You should read your own link: "Gültig für Erstzulassungen ab: 2013"

In English: "Valid for first registration starting in 2013"

2012 is hardly ancient!

(further research shows that it's from March, 2013, so bikes first registered in Jan-Feb 2013 also don't need them)

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Old 02.06.2015, 13:10
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Re: Using your blinkers / turn indicators

Regarding the Erstzulassung: You should read past the first post... but well, that reflects your attitude in general quite well.

Yes, plenty of people got through the MFK without them. Never debated this. Have fun...
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Old 02.06.2015, 14:44
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Regarding the Erstzulassung: You should read past the first post... but well, that reflects your attitude in general quite well.
I did, did you?

"11 Für Fahrzeuge, die vor dem 1. Januar 2013 erstmals zugelassen werden, gilt bezüglich Artikel 140 Absatz 1 Buchstabe c über die Richtungsblinker das bisherige Recht."

"11 Ai veicoli immatricolati per la prima volta prima del 1° gennaio 2013 si applica il diritto anteriore per quanto concerne gli indicatori di direzione lampeggianti di cui all’articolo 140 capoverso 1 lettera c|


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Re: Using your blinkers / turn indicators

Yam is a nice chap, mostly right but not allways.

Grandfathering rule is Art. 222m Abs .11 VTS.
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For any Motorcylces which has been put on the road before January 1st 2013 blinkers are optional.

On the other hand it also means you can put blinkers on a vehicle which had none if you think it makes you safer. (this is where Yam is wrong)
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Jedes Fahrzeug in der Schweiz, ob Veteran oder nicht, muss den Vorschriften entsprechen, die im Jahr der Erstzulassung gegolten
haben. Bis 1969 wurden diese jährlich festgelegt. Am 1. Januar 1970 traten mit der «Verordnung vom 27. August 1969 über Bau
und Ausrüstung der Strassenfahrzeuge» (BAV) generelle Regeln in Kraft. Dazu gehört zum Beispiel, dass die Fahrgestellnum mer
am Fahrzeug-Chassis eingeschlagen sein muss. Für ältere Fahrzeuge gilt dies nicht. Im Zweifelsfall hat das Aargauer Strassenverkehrsamt
eine Sammlung von Gesetzbüchern aus der Vor-BAV-Zeit zur Hand. Zum Beispiel wurde schon 1930 vorgeschrieben,
dass ein Automobil über zwei unabhängige Bremsen – die Fussbremse und die Handbremse – verfügen muss.

«Es gibt genau drei Ausnahmen zur Regel», präzisiert Clemens Lüthi, Chefexperte des aargauischen Strassenverkehrsamts: «Jedes
Fahrzeug, egal welchen Jahrgangs, muss über Rückstrahler und einen Aussenspiegel auf der linken Seite verfügen. Ausserdem müssen Autos
mit Kunststoff-Carrosserien und Motorräder entstörte Kerzenstecker haben.» Wenn hingegen ein Wagen neu mit Winkern zugelassen
wurde, wird eine Umrüstung auf Blinker nicht verlangt, «obwohl wir den Einsatz von Blinkern natürlich empfehlen».
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Re: Using your blinkers / turn indicators

And before this new federal requirement, some cantons (AG, for example), required blinkers on bikes, others (ZH, TI, for example) did not.

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As I have AG plates I believe I am absolved from most of the road rules as long as I drive slower than the flow of traffic and stay in the middle lane

To better our appreciation of how you represent your Kanton's culture please wear a hat and wear it so low that your ears stick out. This really puts the edge on the motoring public's imagination and ensures a certain amount of defensive measures - which does of course lead to safer roads.
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To better our appreciation of how you represent your Kanton's culture please wear a hat and wear it so low that your ears stick out. This really puts the edge on the motoring public's imagination and ensures a certain amount of defensive measures - which does of course lead to safer roads.
How did Aargauers even get around before middle lanes became common?
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Re: Using your blinkers / turn indicators

In Canton Jura it is illegal to use your blinker unless you are not actually going to do what your blinker indicates.
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