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Re: Driving a rent car with in the USA with the swiss permit?

Are you sure that is legal btw?
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Are you sure that is legal btw?

I have 2 and it is illegal , so what
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Re: Driving a rent car with in the USA with the swiss permit?

I don't think it's illegal. If it were then the Swiss DMV wouldn't give you back your original one. They gave me back mine with a sticker that said "not valid in Switzerland".
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Re: Driving a rent car with in the USA with the swiss permit?

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Platinum Visa has this benefit.

And International Driver's PERMIT is what you want. You get them at auto club offices - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...Driving_Permit
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Platinum Visa has this benefit.

And International Driver's PERMIT is what you want. You get them at auto club offices - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...Driving_Permit
I have never needed one, been asked for one, nor met anyone that has needed to use one.

I do know someone that used a an SBB GA to rent a car in the USA recently for 3 weeks. So...
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I don't think it's illegal. If it were then the Swiss DMV wouldn't give you back your original one. They gave me back mine with a sticker that said "not valid in Switzerland".
They just gave me mine back, but I finally stopped renewing it.

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I have never needed one, been asked for one, nor met anyone that has needed to use one.
I suppose one would have to leave the cozy confines of their own country to need one. But then again, I was replying to the OP and not you.

But I also see that EF is as pleasant as ever. Ah, if the rest of the world changed so little.
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I don't think it's illegal. If it were then the Swiss DMV wouldn't give you back your original one. They gave me back mine with a sticker that said "not valid in Switzerland".

OK ok correction ,It is illegal here ONTARIO Canada
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I suppose one would have to leave the cozy confines of their own country to need one. But then again, I was replying to the OP and not you.

But I also see that EF is as pleasant as ever. Ah, if the rest of the world changed so little.
Who on earth is being unpleasant??? When we exchanged our UK licences for Swiss ones- we tried to keep our UK ones because we still had a car there, and it would cause problems with insurance. The guy was very nice, but said 'sorry no can do- I have to return your uk one to DVLA as per the law, as you are not allowed to have 2 licences'. We tried to discuss this, but again, he explained, very nicely, that he would be acting illegally and could get into real trouble, so just could not do so'. Hence my question. Maybe it is not the same if you are non EU or from the USA? Just asking. If it is legal to have two- I would really like to know, although I've already sold my car in UK due to this. As we visit the UK very regularly, it would be very useful.
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Re: Driving a rent car with in the USA with the swiss permit?

US ones you can keep, UK licences have to be returned. It should be no problem if you are going back and renting a car. At Europcar, when I asked if a Swiss licence would be a problem they said it would actually be easier than having a UK one (as a UK citizen) as they have to credit check people now. No such issues with a Swiss one.

Not having a UK licence would affect your insurance if you had a car there, but more important would be the fact that you wouldn't be resident, which is required my pretty much all normal policies.
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When we exchanged our UK licences for Swiss ones- we tried to keep our UK ones because we still had a car there, and it would cause problems with insurance. The guy was very nice, but said 'sorry no can do- I have to return your uk one to DVLA as per the law, as you are not allowed to have 2 licences'. We tried to discuss this, but again, he explained, very nicely, that he would be acting illegally and could get into real trouble, so just could not do so'. Hence my question. Maybe it is not the same if you are non EU or from the USA? Just asking. If it is legal to have two- I would really like to know, although I've already sold my car in UK due to this. As we visit the UK very regularly, it would be very useful.
Then it seems it is illegal in the UK.

Clearly it's not illegal in Switzerland to hold two licenses as they gave it back. It is just not valid in Switzerland.

I guess we'll have to ask about each specific country.
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Then it seems it is illegal in the UK.

Clearly it's not illegal in Switzerland to hold two licenses as they gave it back. It is just not valid in Switzerland.

I guess we'll have to ask about each specific country.
Did you get back a UK License?
My understanding is that is you convert your DL from an EU country they will take the license and send it back to your home country, and if you return you could re-convert it. If the DL is from outside of the EU then they (the Swiss) will just hold on to it and give it back if and when you de-registrer to go back to your country.
The clerk was very adamant about not having two licenses at the same time. My hubby has three, and he ended up leaving there two for the Swiss DL, to avoid taking the exam again. (The UK license was only a year old... so an expired US license in addition solved the issue)
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Did you get back a UK License?
No. I have a US license and a Swiss license.
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Then it seems it is illegal in the UK.

Clearly it's not illegal in Switzerland to hold two licenses as they gave it back. It is just not valid in Switzerland.

I guess we'll have to ask about each specific country.
A German guy I used to work with had a Swiss and a German licence. Each licence had a stamp on it showing that a second licence was in circulation. I don't think it's common and you need a good reason to have two licences but it's doable with conditions.

I guess the traffic plod need to know if you have a second licence in case you are ever banned from driving.
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A German guy I used to work with had a Swiss and a German licence. Each licence had a stamp on it showing that a second licence was in circulation. I don't think it's common and you need a good reason to have two licences but it's doable with conditions.

I guess the traffic plod need to know if you have a second licence in case you are ever banned from driving.
My wife has a Swiss, German and US Drivers License with no questions asked...
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It is funny how nearly every one speaks about the rental company's point of view. I agree with you guys. Never had a problem with only my Swiss one, all were happy to give me a car (plus other unneeded stuff). Btw. normally better rates with a Swiss license, I got all inclusive quotes which were bellow U.S. persons quotes where CDW was not included.

But there is an other aspect. What happens if you get stopped by the police and you have to show your license? What do you need, what is valid and what is not? That it where it gets complicated. Traffic law is state law. Have fun with 50 different rules. Fortunatly, I never had the pleasure do be stopped by any U.S. cop.

As said the U.S.A. only ratified the Geneva Convention on Road Traffic from 19 September 1949 , but not the Vienna Convention on Road Traffic from 8 November 1968, Switzerland on the other side onlys signed, but did not Wikipedia reference-linkratify the Geneva version, but ratified the Vienna version.

From the Swiss point of view, an internation driving permit (plus actual valid license) according to either of the treaties is valid (Art. 42 VZV).

From the U.S. point of view it gets complicated, as trafic law is state law. But on the other hand U.S. states are not allowed to make treaties with foreign parties (U.S. constitution Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3).
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86800.pdf

Let us see at the requieremnt of some states:
Florida, had law that needed visitors to have an IDP. Luckey, on April 2nd 2013 Governer Scott signed a bill which revoked this law.

Michigan, see the list of valid drivings license from foreign states. As you may notice, Switzerland is not on this list!

Illionois, could not be more relaxed. "If you are visiting or driving through Illinois, you must have a valid driver’s license from your home state or country." Illinois 2013 Rules of the road.

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HOLDERS OF A FOREIGN DRIVER LICENSE
Motorists who are residents of other nations and who are bona fide tourists
visiting the United States may drive up to one year with their own national license plates (registration tags) on their vehicle and with their own driver license. (United States motorists may drive in foreign countries under the same conditions.) These reciprocal privileges are made possible by the United Nations Convention on Road Traffic (Geneva 1949). If the name of the foreign motorist’s nation is not recognized, a tourist will have to purchase license plates and obtain a driver license upon arrival in the United States.

Every visiting motorist from a ratifying country should also carry an International Driving Permit, but this is not obligatory. This permit, printed in
the official languages of the United Nations, is helpful when local police speak only one language and may be essential in case of emergency. Even with an International Driving Permit, visiting motorists must have a valid license issued in their country of residence.
As stated above. Switerland, signed, but did not ratify the treaty. As we have seen from Michigan Switzelrand is excluded. What are the rules for Ohio? I do not know. Additionaly, you cannot switch to an U.S. or German license as it is not issued in your country of residence.
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I rent cars in the US frequently - last time was two weeks ago - my Swiss drivers license is all I've ever needed.
(I'm a US citizen, but that shouldn't matter - I no longer have a US driver's license.)
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I rented last month in the US, on my Swiss licence, no problems at all through Avis and the price included all insurance and excess

If you are renting outside the EU, really, you should get an international driving permit, cost like CHF20 valid for 2 years, printed on the spot from your local canton Automobile service. Even though, in practice, noone needs to see it, it is a legal requirement and the insurance (esp in USA) will REFUSE to pay anything if you dont have it and you have an accident. It's in the small print of every USA car I have rented.



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My wife has a Swiss, German and US Drivers License with no questions asked...

If you take 2 tests of course. Also before ~ 1998 if you did an exchange then you kept both, but now in the EEA they have agreed that if you exchange then they return the old one to the home country so you only have one. (too many people would lose their licences through points, and then could use the other one to keep driving)
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But there is an other aspect. What happens if you get stopped by the police and you have to show your license?
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As we have seen from Michigan Switzelrand is excluded. What are the rules for Ohio? I do not know. Additionaly, you cannot switch to an U.S. or German license as it is not issued in your country of residence.

An international driving permit from a country under the 1968 convention (as eg, permit given by Switzerland) doubles as a valid permit for countries under the 1949 convention too, so even if Switzerland is not on the list of the signatories (or those who ratified) the 1949, the permit they issue is OK for the USA (it has both dates). Also, the format of the int driving permit did not change between the two conventions.


As for Michigan, the fact that CH was ommited from the list has no legal bearing. After all, the link you provided states: "countries include AAA, BBB..." , so it's not a definitive list.


But it's true that what is needed varies from US state to another. All states should accept the Int. driving permit. But some accept less, eg., some just that it is in English, or the officer can be satisfied that it is a valid driving license. Nonetheless, the insurance companies are not so forgiving, and often (always) insist on a international permit to cover you.

So, you can have the absurd scenario inthe USA, where the state says you can drive with your swiss license only, if the police stops you are ok with the swiss license only, but if you have an accident the insurance can say that they will not cover you as you must have the swiss licence and swiss international permit.
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If you take 2 tests of course. Also before ~ 1998 if you did an exchange then you kept both, but now in the EEA they have agreed that if you exchange then they return the old one to the home country so you only have one. (too many people would lose their licences through points, and then could use the other one to keep driving)
This is not our experience, my wife didn't have to do a road test in the USA when we moved, just the theoretical test. She kept her German one. I had to do the road test as well and my Dutch licence was send back to The Netherlands.

When moving to Switzerland we took my wife's German licence (no expiry) and my US license to the Service Automobile, and we both received a Swiss one without the original one being taken away.
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Also, the format of the int driving permit did not change between the two conventions.
It did change (Thats is why the Swiss law specifically mentions both version, this is also in the spirit of Arts. 10 and 18, Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties 1969).
For ex. the 1949 version is only valid for one year maximum. There are other changes in the text. Specially the new version valid form 29 March 2011 onward has a lot of changes.

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An international driving permit from a country under the 1968 convention (as eg, permit given by Switzerland) doubles as a valid permit for countries under the 1949 convention too.
Source? Where in the 1949 convention does it say that? How could they know back in 1949 that there will be a new treaty in 1968 and that the international permit mention there will be valid too? Be aware that anything mentioned in the 1968 convention is null and void and has no legal significancy regarding the U.S.A.

The question to be answered is: "What is Switzerland status regarding the 1949 convention considering it has signed but did not ratify the treaty. Have the other contracting parties honour a Swiss international driving permit (1949 version)?" If Yes, than the Michigan list shall include Switzerland. If No, the Michigan list is correct and a Swiss permit is not valid in in the State of Michigan (w/ or w/o international permit).
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