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Old 17.06.2015, 15:28
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Re: No Vehicles Allowed sign - exceptions?

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Missing the joke.

Tom - just to be sure - are you sure you are allowed to be on that track? Before complaining to the Police - check... it is possible that she is being aggressive because you shouldn't be there.
By putting a "no vehicles" sign, isn't there a fairly strong implication that pedestrians are allowed?

Otherwise the sign should simply have been "keep out" or "private".
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Old 17.06.2015, 15:57
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Tom - just to be sure - are you sure you are allowed to be on that track? Before complaining to the Police - check... it is possible that she is being aggressive because you shouldn't be there.
Tom mentioned it is a Wanderweg. That's an officially designated hiking trail.
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Old 17.06.2015, 17:39
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Re: No Vehicles Allowed sign - exceptions?

I don't know if that is Tom being fancy in his post or if it a true wanderweg.

We have a road near us that is local access only marked up with the no access sign. No access is not the same as no entry. As I tried to explain, no access signs around our place indicate if they mean cars/motorbikes/mopeds by including a picture. If I see a no access sign without such clarification then it could well mean no access to anyone. Pedestrians included.

Beyond the description given by Tom, I, personally, have not been to the road Tom mentions. Have you? It is not beyond the realms of possibility that such a sign may have been missed or that it is indeed not an official access road for anyone.

As I say, worth double-checking first.
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Old 17.06.2015, 17:53
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If one sees a "No Vehicles Allowed" sign - the white circle with a red border - and there is not any other sign linked to it that gives exceptions, is anyone allowed to pass by the sign (apart from emergency services etc)?
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As I tried to explain, no access signs around our place indicate if they mean cars/motorbikes/mopeds by including a picture. If I see a no access sign without such clarification then it could well mean no access to anyone. Pedestrians included.
That is partially true - there are a range of prohibition signed (red circle) which can contain pictures of the prohibited things.

But a plain white with red border is internationally defined as "no vehicular traffic". The no pedestrians is a person inside a red border.

All official Swiss traffic signed are shown here:

http://www.astra.admin.ch/dienstleis...x.html?lang=de

Tom refers to sign 201, and no pedestrians is sign 215. The ones you mention are 213 and 214, depending whether mopeds are allowed or not.
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Old 17.06.2015, 18:02
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Re: No Vehicles Allowed sign - exceptions?

If there is no exception then there are no exceptions. Foot traffic and horse riders only. My young Padawan newtoswitz already linked the relevant law.

Here as addendum about horse riders or when you lead a cow (we never know): https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi.../index.html#a2
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Old 17.06.2015, 18:05
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Re: No Vehicles Allowed sign - exceptions?

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Missing the joke.

Tom - just to be sure - are you sure you are allowed to be on that track? Before complaining to the Police - check... it is possible that she is being aggressive because you shouldn't be there.
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I used the word Wanderweg in it's official capacity - it has yellow diamonds on the trees and a yellow Wanderweg direction sign at the start of it - and pointing down the track.
It's also marked as a Wanderweg on my official map.

Pretty conclusive.
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Old 17.06.2015, 18:43
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I used the word Wanderweg in it's official capacity - it has yellow diamonds on the trees and a yellow Wanderweg direction sign at the start of it - and pointing down the track.
It's also marked as a Wanderweg on my official map.

Pretty conclusive.
In that case I'd make the complaint for reckless/dangerous driving. Irrespective of access rights. That'd just be a bonus.
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Re: No Vehicles Allowed sign - exceptions?

might be worth looking at the post where the "no vehicles" sign is, and check if there is a "Zubringerdienst gestattet" sign too. Means access is allowed for those with a destination on the route (e.g. live at the farm, delivering to the farm).

We live on a no-access Wanderweg, with right to drive to our house (ha, ha...that sounds more remote than reality....we live a whole 20 metres from the start of the path!)
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Old 18.06.2015, 09:28
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might be worth looking at the post where the "no vehicles" sign is, and check if there is a "Zubringerdienst gestattet" sign too.
I did write, in the first sentence in the first post of this thread, that there were no signs indicating an exception.

But thanks anyway.
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