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Old 17.06.2015, 12:02
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No Vehicles Allowed sign - exceptions?

If one sees a "No Vehicles Allowed" sign - the white circle with a red border - and there is not any other sign linked to it that gives exceptions, is anyone allowed to pass by the sign (apart from emergency services etc)?

The reason I ask is that there is one near us on a length of track which is also a Wanderweg and we were walking along this the weekend before last with the kids.
I remarked to my wife that the last time I had run along this path, a car had come haring along incredibly fast (it's a track on the edge of a forest) and although the woman driver saw me, she did not slow down and I had to leap out of the way (It's really that narrow).

Anyway, a couple of minutes after I told my wife this, the same car, with the same woman driver came up the hill at great speed and disappeared down the same track. Again we had to leap off the road as she did not slow down even though there were young kids on the edge of the road and the road was a single track one with no pavement (it's also marked as an official Wanderweg).

She was going too fast to get her number and to be honest, we were more concerned about saving our kids lives.

Last weekend, whilst out running I saw the car again parked at a nearby farm and memorised the number and after checking, I can confirm she lives at that farm.
I ought to add that they do not appear to have any need to use the track for farm use and it's just a convenient short cut to the nearest town.

So, if she really shouldn't be going down the track then I'm going to report her to the Police as she seems to have psychopathic tendencies when driving which I can't prove but plainly breaking the law is more clear cut.

I suppose the Police could answer that so this is a bit of a rant too!
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Old 17.06.2015, 12:08
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Re: No Vehicles Allowed sign - exceptions?

Signals "No Trespassing" "General ban in both directions" and not valid for handcarts not exceeding 1 m in width, strollers, wheelchairs, pushed bicycles and mopeds and two-wheel motorcycles that are pushed with the engine off.

From https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a18

So unless the sign has an exception plate, she shouldn't be there. And in any case she shouldn't be driving like a moron

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Old 17.06.2015, 12:11
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Re: No Vehicles Allowed sign - exceptions?

Does it count as a private road for the use of the farm owners? In which case she may be entitled to use it; still doesn't excuse her driving like a maniac though.
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Old 17.06.2015, 12:14
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Does it count as a private road for the use of the farm owners? In which case she may be entitled to use it; still doesn't excuse her driving like a maniac though.
It would have a plate saying access allowed for farm vehicles in that case; I see them all the time when I'm cycling (normally with the "no motor vehicles" sign not the no vehicles one, honest ) but can't remember the wording.

Edit: Text is "Land- und Forstwirtschaft gestattet" in German. "Agricultural and forest related business excepted."
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Old 17.06.2015, 12:15
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Signals "No Trespassing" "General ban in both directions" and not valid for handcarts not exceeding 1 m in width, strollers, wheelchairs, pushed bicycles and mopeds and two-wheel motorcycles that are pushed with the engine off.

From https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a18

So unless the sign has an exception plate, she shouldn't be there. And in any case she shouldn't be driving like a moron
Thanks for the link - I had a look before but couldn't find it.
You've confirmed what I thought.
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Old 17.06.2015, 12:23
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It would have a plate saying access allowed for farm vehicles in that case; I see them all the time when I'm cycling (normally with the "no motor vehicles" sign not the no vehicles one, honest ) but can't remember the wording.
I could imagine a possible exception if the track is actually on land owned by the farmer. The fact that it's a public right of way doesn't imply public ownership (in most countries, anyway, not 100% sure about here).
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Old 17.06.2015, 12:25
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Re: No Vehicles Allowed sign - exceptions?

Off topic but had to post this picture I found while looking for the exception-plate text

Not sure if the requirement is for hygiene, or to avoid getting a small fir tree up your arse

(http://www.autobild.de/artikel/fotob...r-1015686.html)
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Old 17.06.2015, 12:30
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I could imagine a possible exception if the track is actually on land owned by the farmer. The fact that it's a public right of way doesn't imply public ownership (in most countries, anyway, not 100% sure about here).
I guess the Police will know that if they want to look into it.
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Old 17.06.2015, 12:31
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Best example of this is at the traffic lights on the main road into the Kantonsspital Baden, which has a no entry except for access sign. It's the main entry point to the hospital, for goodness sake.
This is probably to stop people driving across the grounds from one entrance to another as a short cut. If the police decide to, they could watch you do it and then fine you if you don't stop on some sort of hospital business.

We have several on rat-runs in our area, and have heard of people being stopped and asked. Of course as a proper local I'd know something to say (going to X to pick up Y), but a commuter just ignoring the sign probably wouldn't have an excuse.
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Old 17.06.2015, 12:38
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That's bizarre, even by Swiss standards.
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Old 17.06.2015, 12:43
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Re: No Vehicles Allowed sign - exceptions?

She's probably avoiding using the normal roads, 'cos she's had a few bevies.

Report her ass.
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Off topic but had to post this picture I found while looking for the exception-plate text

Not sure if the requirement is for hygiene, or to avoid getting a small fir tree up your arse

(http://www.autobild.de/artikel/fotob...r-1015686.html)
That signs actually says:

"NO DUMPING UNLESS YOU DUMP AN AMAZING DUMP"
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She's probably avoiding using the normal roads, 'cos she's had a few bevies.
At seven in the morning?
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I can confirm she lives at that farm
Farmers !
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At seven in the morning?
On the way home probably
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On the way home probably
Wrong direction.

I really think she's just using it as a shortcut to nip to the local shops.

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Farmers !
The only other person I have seen drive down there is someone who I think is her husband who is a farmer - and in another car - and only the once.
However, he drove really slowly and slowed down even more when he passed me and acknowledged me with a nod.

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Re: No Vehicles Allowed sign - exceptions?

Does the maniacal driver have one of these parking signs?
This is the parking lot where I work....funny to see this these days!
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Old 17.06.2015, 13:33
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Does the maniacal driver have one of these parking signs?
This is the parking lot where I work....funny to see this these days!
They put that sign up and didn't put padding around the pole?
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Old 17.06.2015, 13:53
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I could imagine a possible exception if the track is actually on land owned by the farmer. The fact that it's a public right of way doesn't imply public ownership (in most countries, anyway, not 100% sure about here).
In fact many rights of way are not publically owned.

But by virtue of being a public right of way (as opposed to the owner merely tolerating use by third parties), I would expect that the owner loses any exceptionalism or priveledges.
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Does the maniacal driver have one of these parking signs?
This is the parking lot where I work....funny to see this these days!
Missing the joke.

Tom - just to be sure - are you sure you are allowed to be on that track? Before complaining to the Police - check... it is possible that she is being aggressive because you shouldn't be there.

Most of the country tracks around us have no access signs, but specify cars/motorbikes and scooters. A simple no access (white circle with red border) could indicate that you there is no access.
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