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Old 03.07.2015, 16:20
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Buying Moto from Dealer: Questions!

Ok, so I've gotten the huuuuuuuge itch to ride again. 2 years off after 13 years on... its time to go back!

My heart was set on a BMW S1000RR, but I think the S1000R will be a more reasonable choice, especially from a financial perspective.

The thing is, I've never ever owned a new moto, and moreover don't know the buyers culture here in Switzerland. So a few questions:

First, is the price from the price list http://www.bmw-motorrad.ch/ch/_commo...et_aktuell.pdf the actual price out the door? Or do I have to pay some freight or setup fees or tax?

Second, is it OK to try and haggle? If so, what would be reasonable to expect? Should I wait for October to buy to try and cut a better deal? Any downsides to paying in cash up front (is the interest rate on a loan super low, can you even take tiny loans like that?)

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Old 03.07.2015, 16:59
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First, is the price from the price list http://www.bmw-motorrad.ch/ch/_commo...et_aktuell.pdf the actual price out the door? Or do I have to pay some freight or setup fees or tax?
I think the only charges on top of that should be for the registration, and you normally pay that directly rather than to the dealer. Bought a couple of new cars and a bike, but the last was 8 years and it's possible I misremember.

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Second, is it OK to try and haggle? If so, what would be reasonable to expect?
Hah, the million dollar question. Yes, it's acceptable to try and haggle, especially if you're looking at a showroom model, or one they've already got in stock. Try and make out that you're doing them a favour, taking the wrong colour (I took the silver gsxr1000 instead of black, for example) or a slection of extras you wouldn't have paid for (honest, guv). I've no idea about the bike market at the mo, and BMW dealers may be less willing, but definitely worth a shot.

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Any downsides to paying in cash up front (is the interest rate on a loan super low, can you even take tiny loans like that?)
Never looked into finance for any of my vehicle purchases. Taking a wad of cash is strangely satisfying anyway.
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Re: Buying Moto from Dealer: Questions!

As far as I recall I paid a "paperwork fee" last year for my new bike. Was around 400 CHF give or take. There is no discount for cash payments but you don't lose anything trying to bargain. Might be more successful to ask for accessories at reduced price instead of trying to reduce the price of the bike itself, especially at BMW

As Ace1 said, you can strike a good deal on a showroom model or, even better, a test drive one ("probefahrt"). Might still be a little too early in the season for those, but definitely worth a shot.

Once the final price was agreed I paid via bank transfer a few days in advance, never felt safe walking around with so much cash in my pockets, and never will, even in Switzerland.

Good luck with your shopping!
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Thanks And the registration fees, are those flat fees or are they %age based off of the value of the vehicle?
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Thanks And the registration fees, are those flat fees or are they %age based off of the value of the vehicle?
Cannot say for sure since I got only one new bike but gut feeling says flat. It's basically the cost of MFKing the new bike and get your precious grey paper printed.
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No, that's just an admin fee, which you normally pay when you get the plates. Buying new with no existing vehicle (i.e. new plates) the dealer will generally have got the plates and sorted out the paperwork for you, but ISTR I then had to pay it independently anyway, but I can't be sure.
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Re: Buying Moto from Dealer: Questions!

The problem with BMW bikes in Switzerland is that they are so popular that there is no incentive for the dealer to negotiate. You are not buying some rare item where a buyer comes around once every blue moon and losing out on a sale might leave the dealer with inventory. The turnover is massive. Having said that, I would like to echo the sentiment that it never hurts to ask. I found that even if they don't want to move the price, you can almost always get extra years of warranty, or a set of tires, saddlebags or some equipment with hefty discounts. These are all things where the dealer is not technically out of pocket, or actually gets extra revenue (for the equipment) so they are usually happier to agree.
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Re: Buying Moto from Dealer: Questions!

@xynth, I don't expect much to be honest. Asking for accessories is a good idea, its something I've never dealt with before on so I probably wouldn't have gone there.

Do bikes from dealers come with a standard set of tires? If I want something custom you probably have to pay extra (the difference or the price for a whole new tire?)?

Woo... my wallet is praying I'll hate the bike but I know I won't
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Re: Buying Moto from Dealer: Questions!

My wife is looking for a new bike at present and is open minded to her next choice up.

I have been to BMW and Harley so far things to note would be 400chf for registration so far across board.

When asking for Euro reduction the % varied. When the bike arrives new in the box some work is required to finish as you know, well Harley pass on a cool 375chf to do this work - unbelievable to me.

Finally expressing my unhappiness to this another 2% came off the price so answers the question of negotiation.

When trying the demo bike becareful for what is standard and what is not I was surprised what I missed trying to take it all in. Both dealers got me on this. I said the BMW was a very smooth ride afterwards. I then found out it had electronic suspension fitted as an extra and setting was on soft.

Was loving the sound of the Harley but didnt realise the exhausts were not standard and the ones fitted were a cool 1500chf extra.

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