Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Transportation/driving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08.07.2015, 16:38
Ace1's Avatar
A singular modality
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Engelberg & near Basel
Posts: 5,855
Groaned at 167 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 8,886 Times in 3,980 Posts
Ace1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond repute
Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

Needing to get down (from Basel area) to Genoa, Italy on Friday evening (ferry at 2030) and looking at routes, trying to work out if it's worthwhile taking the slightly shorter route via Gotthard & Milan or if either of those are likely to cause big traffic problems.

I'm guessing that we'd be planning to pass Gotthard at around 1500 and Milan a couple of hours later - rush hour time, perhaps - allowing for a bit of contingency time.

The alternative route via Grand St. Bernard skirts most towns, apart from Bern (but that's a known factor for us) so is perhaps more reliable, but what are the likely risks of the shorter option, given that it's high holiday season?
__________________
Introduce yourself!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08.07.2015, 16:40
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: north
Posts: 6,134
Groaned at 226 Times in 146 Posts
Thanked 5,094 Times in 2,632 Posts
rob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

I have done that route few times and around Milan you won't be going anywhere quickly. .. leave early morning
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank rob1 for this useful post:
  #3  
Old 08.07.2015, 16:46
Ace1's Avatar
A singular modality
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Engelberg & near Basel
Posts: 5,855
Groaned at 167 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 8,886 Times in 3,980 Posts
Ace1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

Quote:
View Post
I have done that route few times and around Milan you won't be going anywhere quickly. .. leave early morning
I wish. Meetings until 1100. Yes, I've done most of this in different bits myself, on bike and car, which is why I'm asking how bad it's likely to be at that time.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08.07.2015, 17:00
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Zürich
Posts: 61
Groaned at 6 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 19 Times in 15 Posts
Flatrate has no particular reputation at present
Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

It gets better late in the day too. I went through Gotthard a few weeks ago at 21:00 friday evening and it was only about 20 min queue...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Flatrate for this useful post:
  #5  
Old 08.07.2015, 18:53
Sean Connery's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 4,924
Groaned at 75 Times in 70 Posts
Thanked 6,395 Times in 2,931 Posts
Sean Connery has a reputation beyond reputeSean Connery has a reputation beyond reputeSean Connery has a reputation beyond reputeSean Connery has a reputation beyond reputeSean Connery has a reputation beyond reputeSean Connery has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

I went through at 1400 last Friday and it was also 20 minutes. Milan will kill you but you may take the route past Varese on the new bypass towards Malpensa and hack on from there. It is usually flowing as long as you miss the Milano ring road.

Leave at 1101.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Sean Connery for this useful post:
  #6  
Old 08.07.2015, 19:27
tildaoz's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Meilen
Posts: 568
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 474 Times in 246 Posts
tildaoz has earned the respect of manytildaoz has earned the respect of manytildaoz has earned the respect of many
Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

Don't forget that school holidays start for much of the Zurich area on Friday afternoon...
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank tildaoz for this useful post:
  #7  
Old 08.07.2015, 21:09
Sbrinz's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Murten - Morat
Posts: 10,959
Groaned at 542 Times in 342 Posts
Thanked 10,565 Times in 5,405 Posts
Sbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

I would drive the route Basel Bern Aosta valley

It is 547Km and takes nearly 7 hours

http://www.viamichelin.co.uk/web/Routes
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Sbrinz for this useful post:
  #8  
Old 09.07.2015, 10:03
Ace1's Avatar
A singular modality
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Engelberg & near Basel
Posts: 5,855
Groaned at 167 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 8,886 Times in 3,980 Posts
Ace1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

Quote:
View Post
I would drive the route Basel Bern Aosta valley

It is 547Km and takes nearly 7 hours
Yes, that was my Gd. St. Bernard alternative. Google maps, my preferred routing website, gives a range of journey times, currently reading 5 h 50 min - 6 h 50 min for an 1130 departure on that route, or 5 h 20 min - 6 h 30 min via Gotthard, but I just feel like there's more risk with the latter.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09.07.2015, 14:45
papasmurf's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: AG
Posts: 330
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 377 Times in 133 Posts
papasmurf is considered knowledgeablepapasmurf is considered knowledgeablepapasmurf is considered knowledgeable
Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

Last Friday at the start of the Holidays there was surprisingly only a 30min wait at around 19:00 when I got there, so still quicker then San Bernadino (which also has at least 3 mobile speed cameras from Chur onwards)


On the way back on Sunday it was 2 hours...(Due to a closure for a breakdown)

I normally just keep checking the TCS app to see and then take the gamble

Also 3 weeks ago on a Friday evening Milan to Genoa was pretty easy about 1.5hours.. the same on the way back on the Sunday took 2.5..
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09.07.2015, 14:51
Ace1's Avatar
A singular modality
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Engelberg & near Basel
Posts: 5,855
Groaned at 167 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 8,886 Times in 3,980 Posts
Ace1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

Thanks everyone, I think I've heard enough. Only 20 or 30 minutes wait at the Gotthard sounds like 20 or 30 minutes I could ill afford, so I'll be avoiding it. The other way is nicer anyway, and also avoids Milan.

Hadn't even thought about the Bernadino, starting from Basel as I am.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 09.07.2015, 16:10
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Luzern
Posts: 135
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 150 Times in 80 Posts
nejc is considered knowledgeablenejc is considered knowledgeablenejc is considered knowledgeable
Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

The route over Bernardino is better in many ways:
- you avoid Gothard
- you avoid traffic jams around Milano (30-50 km around the city)
- you don't get close to Torino to fall into traffic jams around it
- you get directly on E25 to Genoa that is much faster than the old E62. Avoid that one, is an old highway, narrow and full of curves, I think (not sure) the southbound is from Mussolini times, northbound is little newer and better.

You can still have two bottlenecks: Bernardino, and from where E25 connects to coastal highway E80 to Genoa.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09.07.2015, 16:21
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Basel
Posts: 880
Groaned at 19 Times in 14 Posts
Thanked 561 Times in 347 Posts
Meerkat33 is considered knowledgeableMeerkat33 is considered knowledgeableMeerkat33 is considered knowledgeable
Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

aside from gotthard and milano on friday from lugano nord to chiasso is crazy, and even if you cut through varese there's the queue at customs. one accident and you lose 1 hour easy.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Meerkat33 for this useful post:
  #13  
Old 09.07.2015, 16:23
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Basel
Posts: 880
Groaned at 19 Times in 14 Posts
Thanked 561 Times in 347 Posts
Meerkat33 is considered knowledgeableMeerkat33 is considered knowledgeableMeerkat33 is considered knowledgeable
Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

Quote:
View Post
The route over Bernardino is better in many ways:
...
You can still have two bottlenecks: Bernardino, and from where E25 connects to coastal highway E80 to Genoa.
i think you mean gran san bernardo not sn bernardino
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Meerkat33 for this useful post:
  #14  
Old 09.07.2015, 16:54
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Luzern
Posts: 135
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 150 Times in 80 Posts
nejc is considered knowledgeablenejc is considered knowledgeablenejc is considered knowledgeable
Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

yes sorry, my mistake
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 16.07.2015, 00:00
HiJ HiJ is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Sempach
Posts: 7
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
HiJ has no particular reputation at present
Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

We did Lucerne-Milano couple of Fridays back thru Gotthard and spent 45 minutes waiting. And going into Milan in peak traffic hours was also not much fun. I wouldn't be doing it again in a hurry. The misery was complete when I got clicked by a camera on one of the tunnels on the way back. Awaiting my first speeding ticket now 😞.

Have a safe trip!
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank HiJ for this useful post:
  #16  
Old 16.07.2015, 00:42
Hausamsee's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 305
Groaned at 70 Times in 37 Posts
Thanked 366 Times in 170 Posts
Hausamsee has earned the respect of manyHausamsee has earned the respect of manyHausamsee has earned the respect of many
Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

Go through the Gotthard and then via a26 avoiding Milan completely, very quiet motorway that comes out a little to the west of Genoa https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostrada_A26_(Italy)
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Hausamsee for this useful post:
  #17  
Old 16.07.2015, 01:08
Phos's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: ZRH
Posts: 7,177
Groaned at 462 Times in 350 Posts
Thanked 9,364 Times in 4,926 Posts
Phos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

Quote:
View Post
Go through the Gotthard and then via a26 avoiding Milan completely, very quiet motorway that comes out a little to the west of Genoa https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostrada_A26_(Italy)
I took this on that same Friday by driving through Gaggiolo, bypassing Chiasso and Milan. I believe I saved a couple of hours to the sea.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Phos for this useful post:
  #18  
Old 17.07.2015, 00:00
Hausamsee's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 305
Groaned at 70 Times in 37 Posts
Thanked 366 Times in 170 Posts
Hausamsee has earned the respect of manyHausamsee has earned the respect of manyHausamsee has earned the respect of many
Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

Quote:
View Post
I took this on that same Friday by driving through Gaggiolo, bypassing Chiasso and Milan. I believe I saved a couple of hours to the sea.
Here it says it is about 30 mins longer but not taking into account all the traffic and mad drivers who often cause accident with tailbacks via Milan way, I took this last friday to Cannes and very little traffic and stress, also scenic, runs north to south and once on it hard to go wrong, here:
Attached Thumbnails
friday-traffic-gotthard-milan-image.jpg  
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Hausamsee for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Geneva to Milan delay - Friday's night train russiangeneva Transportation/driving 3 08.03.2011 14:55
Inter Milan vs AC Milan - January 23-24 2010 millane42 Commercial events 0 13.10.2009 17:05
[Italy] For sale: Train ticket Zurich-Milan for Friday 2 Oct at 19.09 stipey Items for sale 0 01.10.2009 17:18
Arsenal - AC Milan Champions league at Milan, looking for a partner, 2 tickes availab CosmicSpunk Items for sale 36 11.03.2008 23:58
Driving from Zurich to Italy (Gotthard vs. San Bernadino on a Friday After Work) ddilling Transportation/driving 7 02.03.2008 13:39


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:57.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0