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I am looking to do a course to learn race driving; either with my own car or one supplied. Any thoughts on where to find? I'd even be open to learning using karts, but prefer the 'real thing'. Around Zug/Zurich if possible..
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Re: Race driving course

Motor racing is pretty much banned in Switzerland, so there are no race tracks, so you're not going to have much luck.

That aside. Motor racing is not something you can learn on a course, you need to race, a lot (I raced karts for 7 years) I'd suggest getting your kart licence and doing a few seasons karting, then progressing to something like formula ford if you want to do single seater and spend a fortune. But you'd need to be looking at racing in Germany or other EU country.
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Re: Race driving course

If you want just a racing experience check out something like this http://www.silverstone.co.uk/experie...g-experiences/
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Re: Race driving course

You may have to go somewhere like Nürburgring
http://www.rent4ring.de/en/

Autobau in Romanshorn may be able to suggest other options
http://www.autobau.ch/de/autobau-ag
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Re: Race driving course

Karts are probably much cheaper in the end.
I've got a co-worker who does or did this.
But it's just a money drain. IMO.
And most cars aren't really equipped with parts that work at their limit all the time. Coworker says, Porsche is the exception. But even then, he was going from a set of tires or break-pads quite fast.
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Re: Race driving course

There is quite a number of race tracks a bit north of Zug where you can use your own car. http://www.weltkarte.com/europa/deut...eutschland.htm
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I am looking to do a course to learn race driving; either with my own car or one supplied. Any thoughts on where to find? I'd even be open to learning using karts, but prefer the 'real thing'. Around Zug/Zurich if possible..
You need to define the bold it.

Do you actually mean learn to race? Or just to drive on a track?
For the latter Wirz Motorsport are a Swiss based company offering trackdays in France, Germany and Austria - although you'll feel out of place with anything worth under 100k!

To learn to race get yourself some books then do a trackday (with Wirz) and get a full day's tution with one their experience teachers. To that you could hire a race-prepared car - but don't expect to have change from 2,000eur for that + tyres + fuel + brake wear.

Finally if you actually want to race you'll need to contact Swiss Autosport - http://www.autosport-ch.com/de/automobil/lizenzen/ - where licences cost from 120chf per year
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Re: Race driving course

Thanks for the replies. I should clarify; due to various reasons I just have a drivers license for 3 years now so I'm not the greatest driver and am looking to learn techniques etc instead of just doing track days (although those are nice too). I have an E63 AMG so I can use my own car.

I know nothing substitutes experience and I am going karting regurarely, but again looking for a bit of a shortcut and get some dedicated race driving course.
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Thanks for the replies. I should clarify; due to various reasons I just have a drivers license for 3 years now so I'm not the greatest driver and am looking to learn techniques etc instead of just doing track days (although those are nice too). I have an E63 AMG so I can use my own car.

I know nothing substitutes experience and I am going karting regurarely, but again looking for a bit of a shortcut and get some dedicated race driving course.


You don't need race training - you just need advanced driver training. It would be worth looking into http://www.drivingcenter.ch/
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Re: Race driving course

Most car insurance won't cover you for track days and racing... you might want to check that before you use your own car.

Are you actually wanting to race? Or just become a better driver on the road?
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Re: Race driving course

Thanks yes I agree that advanced driver training could be a good idea as well. And no, the car wouldnt be insured for track days although many tracks include some kind of basic insurance in the fee for the day but that doesnt cover damage to the car itself.

I want to learn how to race and eventually compete..
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I want to learn how to race and eventually compete..
This has already been answered!! But being as you are relatively inexperienced and driving a powerful car - the "basic" advanced course at Safenwil will raise your skill level. Then do a more advanced course at Anneau du Rhin. Then a track-day with Wirz getting additional tuition.

If you are still comfortable with the idea of racing repeat the trackday in race prepped car and then apply for a licence. Once you have a licence I can nudge you towards various teams running in the VLN.

You don't need to learn to race, you need to learn car control, car physics and car placement. Once you have those skills and become good at them you can think about racing. Trust me, nothing will get you blacklisted quicker than being a driver that others don't want to race against.

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In terms of insurance what is covered is negligence on behalf of the organisers - for example if a car lost its coolant/oil and they didn't clean it up within a short period of time and you had an accident you might be able to claim. Damage to anything you hit (another car, the track) you are liable for - that means if you hit a barrier you could end up with a sizeable repair fee - budget 1-2k eur for that!!

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Racing isn't cheap - a seat in a 24hr race in a VLN type car will cost north of 1000eur per hour on the very lowest rung - rising rapidly as the machinery improves. Building your own car here is far too expensive unless you are a mechanic so unless you really want to spend a large chunk of your time working on your car (and have the tools and space to do so) you're better off buying a seat.
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Thanks, that's helpful!
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Motor racing is pretty much banned in Switzerland, so there are no race tracks, so you're not going to have much luck.
You should see this then :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXB5No-jkpI
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You should see this then :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXB5No-jkpI
Yes... I know hill-climb is allowed. They have also recently lifted a ban on street racing in the hope of getting a Formula E race soon.
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Re: Race driving course

What you need is a "sport driver course" first showing you how to handle a car. That doesn't count as racing and is quite common in Switzerland. Bring your own car: http://www.fahrkurs.ch/fahrkurs-de/i...n.asp?navid=24
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What you need is a "sport driver course" first showing you how to handle a car. That doesn't count as racing and is quite common in Switzerland. Bring your own car: http://www.fahrkurs.ch/fahrkurs-de/i...n.asp?navid=24

Good idea, will look into this one as well.

Other question; do you guys know any expat groups doing car races etc? I'm new to CH so good to meet some people.
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I am looking to do a course to learn race driving; either with my own car or one supplied. Any thoughts on where to find? I'd even be open to learning using karts, but prefer the 'real thing'. Around Zug/Zurich if possible..
I have read your other posts and initially I was a bit confused about what you want. One thing is to learn to drive fast and the proper techniques to explore the limits of a road car, whether at the road or at a track day. Another thing, completely different, is to race competitively.

I believe there are driving courses held at the Monza (see their website) racetrack in Italy, around three and half hours from Zug.

If you are undecided and perhaps want to experience the thrills of racing, I would recommend you to go the racetrack and watch the Swiss Karting Championship. You can find the race schedule here:
http://www.motorsport.ch/fr/kart/news
There is also the Vega Trofeo:
http://www.kartcompany.ch/index.php/...ofeo/renndaten

For cars, many amateur racing drivers from CH race either at the German regional championships or in Italy. There are some categories such as the Clip Cup that are much cheaper than racing competitively with go-karts.

Anyway, first things first: start by having a driving course, then start going to the races to get the feeling of it, the atmosphere, look online for info and then decide what you what to do.
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I have read your other posts and initially I was a bit confused about what you want. One thing is to learn to drive fast and the proper techniques to explore the limits of a road car, whether at the road or at a track day. Another thing, completely different, is to race competitively.

I believe there are driving courses held at the Monza (see their website) racetrack in Italy, around three and half hours from Zug.

If you are undecided and perhaps want to experience the thrills of racing, I would recommend you to go the racetrack and watch the Swiss Karting Championship. You can find the race schedule here:
http://www.motorsport.ch/fr/kart/news
There is also the Vega Trofeo:
http://www.kartcompany.ch/index.php/...ofeo/renndaten

For cars, many amateur racing drivers from CH race either at the German regional championships or in Italy. There are some categories such as the Clip Cup that are much cheaper than racing competitively with go-karts.

Anyway, first things first: start by having a driving course, then start going to the races to get the feeling of it, the atmosphere, look online for info and then decide what you what to do.
Thanks for your suggestions. It's exactly that; I want to start by learning and then get started on competing. I have already done a few track days, lots of karts and visited races so I have no doubt I want to do it, I just need to get better at driving
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Re: Race driving course

I booked this one for September:

http://www.drivingcenter.ch/auto-freiw/auto-safenwil/

And perhaps I will go to the AMG course as well, although that seems like a bit of a scam:

http://www.mercedes-amg.com/driving-...a.php?lang=eng

Will look into the other suggestions too
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