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But yes, if we go back to UK, we can exchange our licences again as UK DVLA is holding our old ones. However, with OH being 70 early next year- what happens then, he we return to UK to live. Would he have to take his licence again? (he got his in 1964!).
Licences for over seventies are issued for shorter time periods and they send medical questionnaires to be filled in at each renewal. If he is in good health there should be no problems renewing it if you move back and he won't have to retake the licence.
Brother in law's mother is still driving at 95.
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Did some googling around.
So far as I can see the Swiss changed (harmonised) their laws so it is not legal in Switzerland to have both a Swiss licence and an EU licence (individual EU country licences issued before the common EU licence was available are valid until 2033).


I could not find any evidence that the EU changed their laws to make it not legal to have both a Swiss licence and an EU licence in the EU.


I know a few that have more than 1, it's against the law? is that new? When I have problems with my exchange I heard some interesting stories
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Thats really weird, do your Swiss licenses have a reference to the UK ones no.?
No.
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Same question as BM, which address did you use? This is clearly illegal. Even if you used a UK address, you can't legally have both a Swiss and a UK licence- believe me, we tried- as I had kept my car at our property in the UK and wanted to insure it- but couldn't.

But yes, if we go back to UK, we can exchange our licences again as UK DVLA is holding our old ones. However, with OH being 70 early next year- what happens then, he we return to UK to live. Would he have to take his licence again? (he got his in 1964!).
I don't physically have a UK license, I surrendered it when I got my Swiss one. The post code I used was my UK post code. I have previously written to DVLA from CH.

Nothing illegal, most likely Swiss incompetence

Does your Swiss license have the UK license no as a reference?
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Old 09.08.2015, 15:11
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I could not find any evidence that the EU changed their laws to make it not legal to have both a Swiss licence and an EU licence in the EU.
But as far as I know a Swiss licence is only valid for one year outside of Switzerland so if a Swiss licence holder resides in an EU country the Swiss licence would become invalid after 12 moths of residence there.
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But as far as I know a Swiss licence is only valid for one year outside of Switzerland so if a Swiss licence holder resides in an EU country the Swiss licence would become invalid after 12 moths of residence there.

EU to EU doesn't require a switch now though, they claim but still assume people will do it. 1 license EU wide would be good, given they all have to exchange them anyway. Maybe people don't know it's different if it's a Swiss license?
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But as far as I know a Swiss licence is only valid for one year outside of Switzerland so if a Swiss licence holder resides in an EU country the Swiss licence would become invalid after 12 moths of residence there.
A Swiss license never expires, it may not be legal to use in your new home country after 1 year, however only an issue if you drive. If you move about it will stay valid for ever as you need to be resident for a minimum of 6 months before applying for an EU license.
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I don't physically have a UK license, I surrendered it when I got my Swiss one. The post code I used was my UK post code. I have previously written to DVLA from CH.

Nothing illegal, most likely Swiss incompetence

Does your Swiss license have the UK license no as a reference?
Yes. We tried to argue that as we still have a property in the UK and a car at said property, we needed both licences to insure UK car. We were told that would be totally illegal- but that if we ever go back to live in UK, our UK licences would be re-activated. The question is specifically about OH's impending 70th BD.

(we sold my car to a UK friend, as it was just too much hassle. I could have got insurance using our UK address, but would not have been covered in case of an accident as we would have had to lie about resident there, which we clearly are not).

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EU to EU doesn't require a switch now though, they claim but still assume people will do it. 1 license EU wide would be good, given they all have to exchange them anyway.
You don't have to switch them but it us a good idea to register your licence in the country you're living in so that if you lose it or it's stolen they can issue you with a new one. Once the licence reaches the expiry date ( 10 or 15 years for most European countries) you have to renew it in the country you're resident in.

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A Swiss license never expires, it may not be legal to use in your new home country after 1 year, however only an issue if you drive. If you move about it will stay valid for ever as you need to be resident for a minimum of 6 months before applying for an EU license.
Yes I should have been clearer about it not being valid for driving after 12 months. It's not much use if you can't use it to drive with though is it? You have to get a valid licence for the country of residence before the 12 months expire if you want to continue driving.
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Yes. We tried to argue that as we still have a property in the UK and a car at said property, we needed both licences to insure UK car. We were told that would be totally illegal- but that if we ever go back to live in UK, our UK licences would be re-activated. The question is specifically about OH's impending 70th BD.

Yes it's interesting, I had an issue with DVLA when I exported my car. They said I didn't have valid UK insurance, I did have insurance but not UK as it was not in the Uk and I can't get UK insurance not living in the UK. I finally got the fine taken care of but it's interesting how in this day and age it can be so hard to do some of these things. Privilege insurance will insure without a UK license, they used to But you DO need a UK address.
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Yes. We tried to argue that as we still have a property in the UK and a car at said property, we needed both licences to insure UK car. We were told that would be totally illegal- but that if we ever go back to live in UK, our UK licences would be re-activated. The question is specifically about OH's impending 70th BD.

(we sold my car to a UK friend, as it was just too much hassle. I could have got insurance using our UK address, but would not have been covered in case of an accident as we would have had to lie about resident there, which we clearly are not).
Nonsense, it's quite possible to get insurance in the UK with a Swiss license, just google expat car insurance UK.

Aviva even quoted me for UK insurance, Swiss License & Maltese residence, no problem.
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Re: My UK License is still Valid !

Too late, too late- sold the car as I couldn't find an insurer at the time. But thanks for the info. Leaving the car for long periods of time was a pain with the battery and tyres, etc- too much hassle anyhow.
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I know a few that have more than 1, it's against the law? is that new? When I have problems with my exchange I heard some interesting stories

The EU directive stipulates that members states should adopt laws implementing the directive no later than 19 January 2011. Those laws should take effect in all EEA members states on 19 January 2013


Of course the member states did not act so quickly; for example, UK issued a draft law for comment last year but I believe it is not yet in law; any way the UK draft only mentions EU and EEA not Switzerland which is in neither - copy here
https://www.gov.uk/government/consul...tive-2006126ec
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Re: My UK License is still Valid !

So, what about someone who wishes to take a motorbike test in Switzerland, then a car test in UK....is this going to be possible on one (Swiss or UK) licence?
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So, what about someone who wishes to take a motorbike test in Switzerland, then a car test in UK....is this going to be possible on one (Swiss or UK) licence?
No it's not, you have to transfer your license to your country of residence & take a test there.
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Nonsense, it's quite possible to get insurance in the UK with a Swiss license, just google expat car insurance UK.

Aviva even quoted me for UK insurance, Swiss License & Maltese residence, no problem.

When insuring a UK car in the UK then the insurance company must belong to the MIB; you can check here. http://www.mib.org.uk/Company+Inform...rs/Default.htm


BTW, Aviva is OK.
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I know a few that have more than 1, it's against the law? is that new? When I have problems with my exchange I heard some interesting stories
It depends what the two licences are I guess. It's not illegal to hold both an EU and a U.S. Or Indian or Australian (basically a non EU) licence at the same time.
It's the legality of having two EU licences at the same time that's more of a grey area. Technically you need to hand in your existing EU licence in exchange for a new one in your country of residence so it shouldn't be possible to have two physical EU licences ( unless you actually took the tests in more than one country at different times I guess).
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Re: My UK License is still Valid !

Another interesting thing around the same subject.. Friends of ours have just moved back to the UK after 2 years here. They had issues getting insurance in the UK. Even the same company who insured them here, the UK version of same company told them since you've been in Switzerland for two years we won't insure you, even at higher cost or extra conditions, just no! Most of the big names told them same. No other reason given other than where they had just been resident.

I wonder if it's a data thing, the swiss won't give any data or something.
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It depends what the two licences are I guess. It's not illegal to hold both an EU and a U.S. Or Indian or Australian (basically a non EU) licence at the same time.
It's the legality of having two EU licences at the same time that's more of a grey area. Technically you need to hand in your existing EU licence in exchange for a new one in your country of residence so it shouldn't be possible to have two physical EU licences ( unless you actually took the tests in more than one country at different times I guess).

Seem many didn't get the memo

I had no idea some had collections of the things

Like I said, when I had the issues with mine (still not in my hands!) I heard the oddest stories. I think many are unaware of the laws.
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Re: My UK License is still Valid !

ArjanPat asked: "So, what about someone who wishes to take a motorbike test in Switzerland, then a car test in UK... is this going to be possible on one (Swiss or UK) licence?"
and was writing about his son going from Switzerland to study in the UK.


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No it's not, you have to transfer your license to your country of residence & take a test there.

If, for example, ArjanPat's son remains resident in Switzerland, and takes driving lessons while studying in the UK, and passes his car driving test there... then presumably his UK car licence would be valid in the UK. Even while his residence is in Switzerland?


Fatmanfilms, do you mean that ArjanPat's son would have to transfer the license to Switzerland... for the purposes of driving in Switzerland?
And do you mean that he would have to do his driver's test over again, in Switzerland?


Would the same be true if the young man were studying not in the UK but in Germany? Is there a difference?


I'm confused. Thanks for shedding light on this matter.
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