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ArjanPat asked: "So, what about someone who wishes to take a motorbike test in Switzerland, then a car test in UK... is this going to be possible on one (Swiss or UK) licence?"
and was writing about his son going from Switzerland to study in the UK.





If, for example, ArjanPat's son remains resident in Switzerland, and takes driving lessons while studying in the UK, and passes his car driving test there... then presumably his UK car licence would be valid in the UK. Even while his residence is in Switzerland?


Fatmanfilms, do you mean that ArjanPat's son would have to transfer the license to Switzerland... for the purposes of driving in Switzerland?
And do you mean that he would have to do his driver's test over again, in Switzerland?


Would the same be true if the young man were studying not in the UK but in Germany? Is there a difference?


I'm confused. Thanks for shedding light on this matter.
He means that you need a licence for the country you're taking the test in.
If he wants to take a driving test in the UK he needs to have a valid UK ( provisional) licence to do it. Which means he must be resident in the UK.
Likewise if he wants to take his motorcycle test in Switzerland he needs to be resident here and he will get a Swiss motorcycle licence.

If he takes his driver's licence whilst resident in the UK it will be valid in Switzerland but with certain restrictions ( new drivers have to do additional tests here).
It would make more sense to me for him to do both driving and motorcycle tests in the same country ( either Switzerland or the UK depending on where he is resident at the time).
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Re: My UK License is still Valid !

When I try to enter my details it says 'enter a valid license number'
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Re: My UK License is still Valid !

Oops sorry was entering the wrong number.

Mine says my license expired last year and my wife's says she has one issued by another authority.

Strange. Just changing mine back to a UK one now which is free!
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Old 09.08.2015, 16:59
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ArjanPat asked: "So, what about someone who wishes to take a motorbike test in Switzerland, then a car test in UK... is this going to be possible on one (Swiss or UK) licence?"
and was writing about his son going from Switzerland to study in the UK.





If, for example, ArjanPat's son remains resident in Switzerland, and takes driving lessons while studying in the UK, and passes his car driving test there... then presumably his UK car licence would be valid in the UK. Even while his residence is in Switzerland?


Fatmanfilms, do you mean that ArjanPat's son would have to transfer the license to Switzerland... for the purposes of driving in Switzerland?
And do you mean that he would have to do his driver's test over again, in Switzerland?


Would the same be true if the young man were studying not in the UK but in Germany? Is there a difference?


I'm confused. Thanks for shedding light on this matter.
If your resident in the UK, you need a UK / EU license to be legal. You can only add groups by taking a test in the UK.

If your resident in CH, with a CH license you can't add groups in the UK .

It's all very simple & totally obvious, just not what you want to hear.
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Old 09.08.2015, 17:50
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Mine says my license expired last year
Just checked mine and it says expired last year as well. Although it was surrendered and cancelled 3 years ago.
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Re: My UK License is still Valid !

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It would make more sense to me for him to do both driving and motorcycle tests in the same country ( either Switzerland or the UK depending on where he is resident at the time).
What you suggest makes sense except I'd rather he got his motorcycle licence in Switzerland and subsequently learned to drive a car in the UK....this is for safety, practical and personal reasons and ( I think) cost implications.

From what Fatman says, he can do this if he takes the bike test here, gets a SWiss licence, then transfers it to UK, takes his test there and, especially since his main country of residence - at least for the next few years - will be UK, to stick with his British licence for driving in UK and for biking whilst on vacations in Switz.... I think this makes sense....
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Re: My UK License is still Valid !

Can he have Swiss insurance to use his bike here, if he is resident in the UK though? All sounds terribly complicated.
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Just checked mine and it says expired last year as well. Although it was surrendered and cancelled 3 years ago.
I'm just hoping it isn't an issue changing back to a UK license!
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Old 09.08.2015, 20:02
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Re: My UK License is still Valid !

Did you hand your Swiss Licence back to the Service des Autos? You might have to send it back before they release your UK one, since you are not allowed to have both at the same time.
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Old 09.08.2015, 20:32
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I'm just hoping it isn't an issue changing back to a UK license!
Why would it be an issue? You have a valid Swiss licence which you are entitled to exchange for a UK one irrespective of whether your old UK licence has expired or not. It's possibly something as simple as your 10 year photcard licence expiring during your time here.

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Did you hand your Swiss Licence back to the Service des Autos? You might have to send it back before they release your UK one, since you are not allowed to have both at the same time.
Wouldn't that be a silly thing to do? You need a valid licence to be able to drive wherever you move to before you get a licence issued in that country.

The DVLA should send it back to Switzerland when be exchanges it.

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Old 09.08.2015, 20:56
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Can he have Swiss insurance to use his bike here, if he is resident in the UK though? All sounds terribly complicated.
If the bike is registered in CH it will be insured for any driver regardless of riders residence, we have been through this several times with you before!
On the assumption you can actually read French it should be 100% clear what the answer is if you actually bother to look
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Wouldn't that be a silly thing to do? You need a valid licence to be able to drive whoever you move to before you get a licence issued in that country.

The DVLA should send it back to Switzerland when be exchanges it.
Odile being incredibly complicated as usual, of course Porsche must hang onto his Swiss license to exchange. It's not as if Odile handed her UK license to the UK when she left. She even wanted to have both!

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I was about to get an EU license again on Monday by exchanging my CH one, I was going to mention my UK driver no as I lost small lorries during the transfer.

If I get a new UK one I need to provide an address, also it will expire in 10 years rather than aged 70.
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I don't physically have a UK license, I surrendered it when I got my Swiss one. The post code I used was my UK post code. I have previously written to DVLA from CH.

Nothing illegal, most likely Swiss incompetence
Back on topic..... fmf: If you don't still physically have the paper UK license (which would have remained valid until your 70th birthday unless revoked for some reason; illness, traffic offence, for example), then you're correct in thinking that you'll now be issued with the new 10-year version if you decide to ask for a replacement, no matter what the circumstances of its 'lose'.
So logic says that settling for the new style one is your only option if you want a UK license to use as your EU one (thereby recovering your original catagories) or so that you can swap it for a Maltese one that gives you the local equivalents.
If you apply in Malta for one exchanging your CH license then the catagories stated on that will be the ones that count unless you can produce an actual UK one saying otherwise.
Annoyingly the lost catagories will probably remain lost unless you go down the recovering the UK license route.
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Re: My UK License is still Valid !

ahahah but that was only fair, since I had to take it both times, first in Switzerland and again the next year in UK - not like you lot who just have to exchange (yes, that is how it was in 1970)...I took 2 driver's licences in 1969 and one in 1970, in UK and CH (car + motorbike then car again in UK- no choice - proud to say I passed all 3 first time).

Didn't realise Porsche had driven back to UK- but yes ok. Thing is if he just looks on line for his licence, he may well come up as non-valid at this stage, since his holding his Swiss one invalidates t'other. So he has to go through the process properly.

For the bike- can it be registered in someone's name who is not resident? I understand about the insurance of course. So would he have to register the bike in a relatives name? Just asking- no need to be sarky...
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Why would it be an issue? You have a valid Swiss licence which you are entitled to exchange for a UK one irrespective of whether your old UK licence has expired or not. It's possibly something as simple as your 10 year photcard licence expiring during your time here.
Don't know. Seems like they never got my original UK one back at all so might think I had two all this time like some sort of driving licence con artist
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Old 09.08.2015, 21:48
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For the bike- can it be registered in someone's name who is not resident? I understand about the insurance of course. So would he have to register the bike in a relatives name? Just asking- no need to be sarky...
Possibly, if they have a home here. The bike could be in anyones name, no requirement to be a relatives either.

Any Swiss vehicle with a no plate is insured even if the premium has not been paid, it's irrelevant who is driving. This is actually the legal situation with any EU vehicle driven in a foreign EU country (inc CH). The country issuing the plates is ultimately liable to pay any claims.
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Didn't realise Porsche had driven back to UK- but yes ok. Thing is if he just looks on line for his licence, he may well come up as non-valid at this stage, since his holding his Swiss one invalidates t'other. So he has to go through the process properly.
If you read all the posts you'd realise my license is coming up as expired not that I've had one issued by another authority (as Mrs porsch's does).

I've filled out the form and will post tomorrow. No charge as I'm changing back to a UK one and passed my test in the UK.
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Back on topic..... fmf: If you don't still physically have the paper UK license (which would have remained valid until your 70th birthday unless revoked for some reason; illness, traffic offence, for example), then you're correct in thinking that you'll now be issued with the new 10-year version if you decide to ask for a replacement, no matter what the circumstances of its 'lose'.
So logic says that settling for the new style one is your only option if you want a UK license to use as your EU one (thereby recovering your original catagories) or so that you can swap it for a Maltese one that gives you the local equivalents.
If you apply in Malta for one exchanging your CH license then the catagories stated on that will be the ones that count unless you can produce an actual UK one saying otherwise.
Annoyingly the lost catagories will probably remain lost unless you go down the recovering the UK license route.
I was planning to convert my Swiss license on Monday also showing a copy of my old UK drivers to see if they could find me in the system. Thinking that may over complicate things probably best not to bother.

I often need to rent cars in the UK, they require a license that was issued at least 2 years ago, so being able to let them look up my UK driving record seems to be a reasonable idea in addition to having a newly issued EU license.
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I was planning to convert my Swiss license on Monday also showing a copy of my old UK drivers to see if they could find me in the system. Thinking that may over complicate things probably best not to bother.

I often need to rent cars in the UK, they require a license that was issued at least 2 years ago, so being able to let them look up my UK driving record seems to be a reasonable idea in addition to having a newly issued EU license.
Worth a try... might depend on whether the Maltese want to see the real UK license as opposed to a copy I suppose.

OH used his freshly issued UK credit card version to hire a car in England a few weeks after receiving it.... but it was a re-issue of a license that was originally issued in the late-sixties, so I suppose they just check the records on the computer at the car-hire place.

Fingers crossed for tomorrow then!
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Re: My UK License is still Valid !

Your license maybe valid, but if you gave false or incorrect information, such as a false UK address then is probably isn't valid in the case of an accident, which in turn invalidates your insurance......
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Your license maybe valid, but if you gave false or incorrect information, such as a false UK address then is probably isn't valid in the case of an accident, which in turn invalidates your insurance......
Not giving any false info to anyone, not using my UK license, not using a UK address, the potential tax consequences are huge of pretending to be UK resident.......
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