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I have a feeling I may know the answer to my own question, but I'm looking at cars with over 100,000km mileage.

At what mileage would people not consider buying over?

To give you a bit of background. We have just moved to Vaud from the UK and were looking for a large car, with a large boot as we have a young family, dog and would like to go camping most weekends.

We were thinking about a Nissan Navarra/Pathfinder or a Land Rover of some sorts.

Any advice on mileage / the cars I'm thinking of, would be much appreciated.

The reason I ask about mileage is I'm wondering if cars in Switzerland hold up better than they would in the UK as I would rarely buy a car over 80,000 miles in the UK.

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Re: Buying cars with high mileage?

It seems to be a swiss thing, cars with over 100.000 kms are scrap basically

Of course there's often nothing wrong with them.. Well maintained modern cars will easily run for many hundred thousand kms. Plus the swiss version of the MOT is pretty strict so if you find a well maintained high km car with a recent MOT it will probably be a good price. People tend to maintain cars well here.

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Re: Buying cars with high mileage?

It all depends what you are looking for - how you'll use it - and what you expect to have at the end.

Very few cars are worth money over 200k in Switzerland. And the vast majority are going to be hard to shift over 100k - which doesn't mean, that at the right price, they won't sell.

The Germans (Audi, BMW, Merc and VW) and Swedish (Volvo and Saab) tend to last well - are well maintained by their owners - and will do big KMs with little effort.

If you do go for a Land Rover pick carefully. 7-8 year old Discos will need the BIG belt and water pump service and will start to be eating through parts - steering and suspension - but is true of most big SUVs - mainly because owners over estimate their cars ability to deal with speed bumps and kerbs.

IMHO the Merc E500 4-matic Kombi is good bargain in the used market spacious, 4-wheel drive and plenty of performance. At their current prices you can run one for a few years and write off the depreciation.
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Re: Buying cars with high mileage?

Well maintained cars with over 100'000 km are very good buys. You can ask the TCS or a local garage to test them (For a fee) before you buy, which brings peace of mind.

Personally I would only consider Toyota, VW, Audi, or Mercedes-Benz with a recorded service history.

Never, ever, think about buying an old French, USA, British, or Italian model.

Ask your local taxi driver how many Kms their cars have, often it is well over 200'000 Kms and the cars still look good and run smoothly.
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Re: Buying cars with high mileage?

The last 3 cars I bought in CH were BMW's 1st had 130,000, I drove it past 300k without needing anything other than Oil, pads, disks & a battery. 2nd was bought with 160,000 had some wheel bearings replaced at 240k & 320k, the radiator at 340k. The third one I bought with 180,000 & sold a year later when I left CH without any issues at all
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Re: Buying cars with high mileage?

I'm a big fan of the 'well maintained' higher mileage purchase.

Lots of 'higher mileage' Mercs (and maybe BMWs ?) were bought new with 10 year 'free' maintenance. So even with 100kms they're pretty much as sound as they can be.
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I'm a big fan of the 'well maintained' higher mileage purchase.

Lots of 'higher mileage' Mercs (and maybe BMWs ?) were bought new with 10 year 'free' maintenance. So even with 100kms they're pretty much as sound as they can be.
Most Swiss card get serviced at main dealers in any case, Only routine servicing is free, a main dealer will find lots of extra stuff to do mostly unnecessarily.
I did all the servicing on my BMW's, very little needs to be done in reality, MFK is no big deal even when a car has 250,000 or more.
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Personally I would only consider Toyota, VW, Audi, or Mercedes-Benz with a recorded service history.

Never, ever, think about buying an old French, USA, British, or Italian model.
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Maserati Quattoporte 3.2 V8 biturbo 281k km:
https://youtu.be/geEGqhpctfE?t=2m54s

Panda with almost 300k km:
https://youtu.be/GTKShwamEWc?t=3m

Alfa Romeo 159 with 350k km:
https://youtu.be/pVDJcHUUd4E?t=2m1s
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IMHO the Merc E500 4-matic Kombi is good bargain in the used market spacious, 4-wheel drive and plenty of performance. At their current prices you can run one for a few years and write off the depreciation.
I have been looking at these big cars with some miles on it but never had the courage to go for it. If somethings breaks the bill is usually not small. It may be that you should not go for the E500 but for something with a smaller diesel engine.

My advise would be to look at a Toyota Landcruiser. These keep their value very well even with 200K on the clock. Good go anywhere alternative for a Disco imo
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Re: Buying cars with high mileage?

100k is not always the same as 100k. If the car has been thrashed, and not maintained, even the best machine will suffer.


Look for a continuous dealer service record, pay attention to what has been replaced, make sure that the timing belt has been changed within the service interval, Look for signs that the car has been thrashed (lots of stone chips on the rockers, signs that the interior hasn't been cleaned, "sport" upgrades/stickers including non original window tint, rims or springs, Tire wear, was the car parked in the street or in a garage?).


From 100k on you can generally expect that at least one of exhaust, brakes or clutch will need replacing within the next 50k.


The Swiss, in general, change their cars long before the maintenance becomes non economical and do keep their cars well serviced.


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I have been looking at these big cars with some miles on it but never had the courage to go for it. If somethings breaks the bill is usually not small. It may be that you should not go for the E500 but for something with a smaller diesel engine.

My advise would be to look at a Toyota Landcruiser. These keep their value very well even with 200K on the clock. Good go anywhere alternative for a Disco imo
Diesel engines are far more expensive to fix as they are machined to far higher tolerances, diesel works by compression, whilst petrol engines are quite rough and ready, spark + petrol = bang !
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Diesel engines are far more expensive to fix as they are machined to far higher tolerances, diesel works by compression, whilst petrol engines are quite rough and ready, spark + petrol = bang !
Certainly wouldn't take that as a rule at all.
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Re: Buying cars with high mileage?

At one time I would have considered over 100k almost ready for he scrap dealer. Now our car has over 250K and in no need whatsoever of replacing, my opinion has changed. I would certainly take advantage of the Swiss fear of high kms and buy something over 100k.
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Re: Buying cars with high mileage?

Always a risk cause you never know how many accidents the car had. Make sure it gets checked properly before purchasing it and don't forget to negotiate the price..
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Always a risk cause you never know how many accidents the car had. Make sure it gets checked properly before purchasing it and don't forget to negotiate the price..
I think you can usually spot non original paint. Of course an accident free car may have been involved in many situations when an accident report form was filled in....People make a big thing about accidents, however with high repair costs in CH very little badly repaired cars ever get fixed so it's not a big issue.

Choice is buy a new BMW for 50k or a 12 year old one for 5k with full service history & new MFK. Much less to loose buying the 12 year old one, the new one will loose over 10k in the first year.
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Re: Buying cars with high mileage?

I just priced out the insurance for this:
http://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/merce...0177&vehtyp=10

Over 1600 CHF for me, with "default" settings (zurichconnect).
No "Vollkasko".
Yikes.
That really adds up after a couple of years, together with the fuel...

And of course, I would have got to hand the service and repairs to a garage, whose staff would find a dozen things to charge me 2500 bucks each year....
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Always a risk cause you never know how many accidents the car had. Make sure it gets checked properly before purchasing it and don't forget to negotiate the price..
And don't forget to do this to impress the seller
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Re: Buying cars with high mileage?

Our Discovery 2 has over 200,000 miles on the clock, has a yearly service and does the CH - UK run with ease.
Only issue we have had with it is a leaking sunroof.
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Re: Buying cars with high mileage?

My current truck has 280 k
My bmw had 290k
My merc had 340k
Jeep had 200k
Audi had 180k
My wifes golf has 170k (just put in 1k to bring back from 30k of no maintenance from previous owner)

So yes I ONLY buy when they have some higher miles as the price drops by alot

All needed a little work here and there as parts do need to be replaced. I do( 95%) work myself fyi just changed my own brakes for a total of 60 fr VS 500 at a shop.... .

The only one i really dumped money in was the bmw diesel....still sold it for 3k though
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Re: Buying cars with high mileage?

Is it better to buy a 5 year old car with 100k on it, or a 10 year old car with 50k on it?
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