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Re: Running red light ticket - Police Mistake

If I calculate according to my receipts I WAS NOT.
But he said the time might not be accurate. He saw my receipts by email and we were checking it together while we were on then phone.

He told me that does not matter if the time on camera was not 100% accurate, maybe there is some minutes discrepancy. But my photo is there.

I was lost in that part as well, as I could not be in the dog shop so fast if I compare the time stamps, he even agreed with that.

But like he said, photo is a photo, does not matter if the time is not accurate ...
I still have no chances he said.
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Old 14.08.2015, 11:06
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If I calculate according to my receipts I WAS NOT.
But he said the time might not be accurate. He saw my receipts by email and we were checking it together while we were on then phone.

He told me that does not matter if the time on camera was not 100% accurate, maybe there is some minutes discrepancy. But my photo is there.

I was lost in that part as well, as I could not be in the dog shop so fast if I compare the time stamps, he even agreed with that.

But like he said, photo is a photo, does not matter if the time is not accurate ...
I still have no chances he said.
Maybe it was the till in the shop that was not accurate?
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Re: Running red light ticket - Police Mistake

I have no idea. I don't think the timestamp on the Fressnapf's receipt can be wrong unless there is a problem on the system, very unlikely.

But it does not matter anyways, like he said.

All that matters is that my rear-end was flashed while I was waiting for traffic to move ahead.

At least I know as a fact that I did not cross the red light.


I am still beyond words but have already paid the bill online.
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Old 14.08.2015, 11:32
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was lost in that part as well, as I could not be in the dog shop so fast if I compare the time stamps, he even agreed with that.
Anticipate a speeding ticket in the post.
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I hope that you are joking.
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Old 14.08.2015, 11:39
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He told me that unfortunately this is how the camera works. And that happens all the time in this one, as traffic is always heavy there.
So it's just another semi-fraudulent setup to maximize revenue from traffic fines. Despicable.
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Re: Running red light ticket - Police Mistake

Exactly.
And I had so many bills to pay this month ... 250.00 less when you need to buy food and all ... simply horrible. Specially because I did not run any red lights.
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Old 14.08.2015, 11:48
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So it's just another semi-fraudulent setup to maximize revenue from traffic fines. Despicable.
Not really, no. As Phil indicates above, you are responsible for clearing the crossing before the lights change. If your exit isn't clear you shouldn't pass the green light.


Given the objective is to ensure the junctions are kept free for crossing traffic (or in this case the crossing is kept free for pedestrians) sounds reasonable to me.


Box junctions in the UK work like this.

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Police make plenty of mistakes. Misreading license plates, mixing up cantons, etc.

@OP: First step: check what's the procedure in your city/canton to obtain the photo.
The two cantons that can easily be mixed up -- IMHO -- are Geneva and Berne. Both are big cantons and both cantons have sophisticated coats of arms with resembling patterns (black, yellow and red colors) when you are not very close to the plate...


BL vs. GL <-- coats of arms don't resemble: crosier vs. pilgrim
FR vs. GR <-- coats of arms don't resemble
GR vs. GE <-- coats of arms don't resemble
ZH vs. ZG <-- despite the resembling coats of arms (colors), being a small canton, it's unlikely that they will misread Z? 4XX XXX as a ZG plate
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Re: Running red light ticket - Police Mistake

So then tell me this, to clarify your statement:

I drove passed the traffic light as the light was green.

I should have seen that the traffic was not moving in front of me and stop at the traffic light even when the light was green?
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Re: Running red light ticket - Police Mistake

Yes.

Of course everyone behind you will be on their hooter, but that's their problem not yours.
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Then the streets are going to be pure chaos.
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Not really, no. As Phil indicates above, you are responsible for clearing the crossing before the lights change. If your exit isn't clear you shouldn't pass the red light.


Given the objective is to ensure the junctions are kept free for crossing traffic (or in this case the crossing is kept free for pedestrians) sounds reasonable to me.


Box junctions in the UK work like this.
I DID NOT crossed the red light. It was green. Did you read my first post?
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Yes.

Of course everyone behind you will be on their hooter, but that's their problem not yours.
You know what, you were very helpful!!!
That is exactly what I am going to be doing from now on since this road has always heavy traffic.

Screw all others behind me. I am not going to be paying another fee because I felt into this trap.
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So then tell me this, to clarify your statement:

I drove passed the traffic light as the light was green.

I should have seen that the traffic was not moving in front of me and stop at the traffic light even when the light was green?
Yes, that is correct.
You shouldn't have passed the light.
In case there is a red light camera you should be very careful with these situations.
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Old 14.08.2015, 12:07
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Re: Running red light ticket - Police Mistake

Often, right at the end of the green phase, the crossing has cleared. Foot down and across, leaving at least some of those hooting behind you still standing.
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Old 14.08.2015, 12:08
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You know what, you were very helpful!!!
That is exactly what I am going to be doing from now on since this road has always heavy traffic.

Screw all others behind me. I am not going to be paying another fee because I felt into this trap.
You need to take a breath and chill a little before you next get into a car. It's a pain, it was expensive, but these things happen. Take it in your stride.

Don't drive angry, folks.
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So then tell me this, to clarify your statement:

I drove passed the traffic light as the light was green.

I should have seen that the traffic was not moving in front of me and stop at the traffic light even when the light was green?
Yes, absolutely! The same goes for pedestrian crossings. If the traffic is moving slowly (or not moving) you have to stop in front of the crossing and make sure to only pass once there's enough space for your car on the other side of it, so you're not blocking the crossing (not even partially). I've seen drivers being fined for that as well (and there were no pedestrians waiting to cross on either side).
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You know what, you were very helpful!!!
That is exactly what I am going to be doing from now on since this road has always heavy traffic.

Screw all others behind me. I am not going to be paying another fee because I felt into this trap.
How so? They're unable to proceed anyway. A few meters make exactly zero difference.

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Then the streets are going to be pure chaos.
Quite the opposite.

In the fined situation, you were forced to stand still shortly after the line and consequently (together with those in front of you) blocked the traffic from left and right from crossing while they were having green. That certainly doesn't help traffic flow.
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Old 14.08.2015, 12:16
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In the fined situation, you were forced to stand still shortly after the line and consequently (together with those in front of you) blocked the traffic from left and right from crossing while they were having green. That certainly doesn't help traffic flow.
As I understand it, he'd gone through the crossing and was partly blocking the crossing on the opposite side.

I have somne sympathy; I won't say we've all done it, but I'd guess a lot of us have. I have. But expect to pay if you get caught doing it.
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